Ath。Ishouldexpectso。
Cle。Proceed。
Ath。Well,then,letusgiveallthegreaterheedtooneanother’swords。Theargumentaffirmsthatanychangewhateverexceptfromevilisthemostdangerousofallthings;thisistrueinthecaseoftheseasonsandofthewinds,inthemanagementofourbodiesandthehabitsofourminds-trueofallthingsexcept,asIsaidbefore,ofthebad。Hewholooksattheconstitutionofindividualsaccustomedtoeatanysortofmeat,ordrinkanydrink,ortodoanyworkwhichtheycanget,mayseethattheyareatfirstdisorderedbythem,butafterwards,astimegoeson,theirbodiesgrowadaptedtothem,andtheylearntoknowandlikevariety,andhavegoodhealthandenjoymentoflife;andifeverafterwardstheyareconfinedagaintoasuperiordiet,atfirsttheyaretroubledwithdisorders,andwithdifficultybecomehabituatedtotheirnewfood。Asimilarprinciplewemayimaginetoholdgoodaboutthemindsofmenandthenaturesoftheirsouls。Forwhentheyhavebeenbroughtupincertainlaws,whichbysomeDivineProvidencehaveremainedunchangedduringlongages,sothatnoonehasanymemoryortraditionoftheireverhavingbeenotherwisethantheyare,theneveryoneisafraidandashamedtochangethatwhichisestablished。Thelegislatormustsomehowfindawayofimplantingthisreverenceforantiquity,andIwouldproposethefollowingway:-Peopleareapttofancy,asIwassayingbefore,thatwhentheplaysofchildrenarealteredtheyaremerelyplays,notseeingthatthemostseriousanddetrimentalconsequencesariseoutofthechange;andtheyreadilycomplywiththechild’swishesinsteadofdeterringhim,notconsideringthatthesechildrenwhomakeinnovationsintheirgames,whentheygrowuptobemen,willbedifferentfromthelastgenerationofchildren,and,beingdifferent,willdesireadifferentsortoflife,andundertheinfluenceofthisdesirewillwantotherinstitutionsandlaws;andnooneofthemreflectsthattherewillfollowwhatIjustnowcalledthegreatestofevilstostates。Changesinbodilyfashionsarenosuchseriousevils,butfrequentchangesinthepraiseandcensureofmannersarethegreatestofevils,andrequiretheutmostprevision。
Cle。Tobesure。
Ath。Andnowdowestillholdtoourformerassertion,thatrhythmsandmusicingeneralareimitationsofgoodandevilcharactersinmen?Whatsayyou?
Cle。Thatistheonlydoctrinewhichwecanadmit。
Ath。Mustwenot,then,tryineverypossiblewaytopreventouryouthfromevendesiringtoimitatenewmodeseitherindanceorsong?
normustanyonebeallowedtoofferthemvarietiesofpleasures。
Cle。Mosttrue。
Ath。CananyofusimagineabettermodeofeffectingthisobjectthanthatoftheEgyptians?
Cle。Whatistheirmethod?
Ath。Toconsecrateeverysortofdanceormelody。Firstweshouldordainfestivals-calculatingfortheyearwhattheyoughttobe,andatwhattime,andinhonourofwhatGods,sonsofGods,andheroestheyoughttobecelebrated;and,inthenextplace,whathymnsoughttobesungattheseveralsacrifices,andwithwhatdancestheparticularfestivalistobehonoured。Thishastobearrangedatfirstbycertainpersons,and,whenarranged,thewholeassemblyofthecitizensaretooffersacrificesandlibationstotheFatesandalltheotherGods,andtoconsecratetheseveralodestogodsandheroes:andifanyoneoffersanyotherhymnsordancestoanyoneoftheGods,thepriestsandpriestesses,actinginconcertwiththeguardiansofthelaw,shall,withthesanctionofreligionandthelaw,excludehim,andhewhoisexcluded,ifhedonotsubmit,shallbeliableallhislifelongtohaveasuitofimpietybroughtagainsthimbyanyonewholikes。
Cle。Verygood。
Ath。Intheconsiderationofthissubject,letusrememberwhatisduetoourselves。
Cle。Towhatareyoureferring?
Ath。Imeanthatanyyoungman,andmuchmoreanyoldone,whenheseesorhearsanythingstrangeorunaccustomed,doesnotatonceruntoembracetheparadox,buthestandsconsidering,likeapersonwhoisataplacewherethreepathsmeet,anddoesnotverywellknowhisway-hemaybealoneorhemaybewalkingwithothers,andhewillsaytohimselfandthem,“Whichistheway?“andwillnotmoveforwarduntilheissatisfiedthatheisgoingright。Andthisiswhatwemustdointhepresentinstance:-Astrangediscussiononthesubjectoflawhasarisen,whichrequirestheutmostconsideration,andweshouldnotatouragebetooreadytospeakaboutsuchgreatmatters,orbeconfidentthatwecansayanythingcertainallinamoment。
Cle。Mosttrue。
Ath。Thenwewillallowtimeforreflection,anddecidewhenwehavegiventhesubjectsufficientconsideration。Butthatwemaynotbehinderedfromcompletingthenaturalarrangementofourlaws,letusproceedtotheconclusionofthemindueorder;forverypossibly,ifGodwill,theexpositionofthem,whencompleted,maythrowlightonourpresentperplexity。
Cle。Excellent,Stranger;letusdoasyoupropose。
Ath。Letusthenaffirmtheparadoxthatstrainsofmusicareourlawsnomoi,andthislatterbeingthenamewhichtheancientsgavetolyricsongs,theyprobablywouldnothaveverymuchobjectedtoourproposedapplicationoftheword。Someone,eitherasleeporawake,musthavehadadreamysuspicionoftheirnature。Andletourdecreebeasfollows:-Nooneinsingingordancingshalloffendagainstpublicandconsecratedmodels,andthegeneralfashionamongtheyouth,anymorethanhewouldoffendagainstanyotherlaw。Andhewhoobservesthislawshallbeblameless;buthewhoisdisobedient,asIwassaying,shallbepunishedbytheguardiansofthelaws,andbythepriestsandpriestesses。Supposethatweimaginethistobeourlaw。
Cle。Verygood。
Ath。Cananyonewhomakessuchlawsescaperidicule?Letussee。
Ithinkthatouronlysafetywillbeinfirstframingcertainmodelsforcomposers。Oneofthesemodelsshallbeasfollows:-Ifwhenasacrificeisgoingon,andthevictimsarebeingburntaccordingtolaw-if,Isay,anyonewhomaybeasonorbrother,standingbyanotheratthealtarandoverthevictims,horriblyblasphemes,willnothiswordsinspiredespondencyandevilomensandforebodingsinthemindofhisfatherandofhisotherkinsmen?
Cle。Ofcourse。
Ath。Andthisisjustwhattakesplaceinalmostallourcities。A
magistrateoffersapublicsacrifice,andtherecomeinnotonebutmanychoruses,whotakeupapositionalittlewayfromthealtar,andfromtimetotimepourforthallsortsofhorribleblasphemiesonthesacredrites,excitingthesoulsoftheaudiencewithwordsandrhythmsandmelodiesmostsorrowfultohear;andhewhoatthemomentwhenthecityisofferingsacrificemakesthecitizensweepmost,carriesawaythepalmofvictory。Now,oughtwenottoforbidsuchstrainsasthese?Andifeverourcitizensmusthearsuchlamentations,thenonsomeunblestandinauspiciousdaylettherebechorusesofforeignandhiredminstrels,likethosehirelingswhoaccompanythedepartedatfuneralswithbarbarousCarianchants。
Thatisthesortofthingwhichwillbeappropriateifwehavesuchstrainsatall;andlettheapparelofthesingersbe,notcircletsandornamentsofgold,butthereverse。Enoughofallthis。Iwillsimplyaskoncemorewhetherweshalllaydownasoneofourprinciplesofsong-
Cle。What?
Ath。Thatweshouldavoideverywordofevilomen;letthatkindofsongwhichisofgoodomenbeheardeverywhereandalwaysinourstate。Ineedhardlyaskagain,butshallassumethatyouagreewithme。
Cle。Byallmeans;thatlawisapprovedbythesuffragesofusall。
Ath。Butwhatshallbeournextmusicallawortype?OughtnotprayerstobeoffereduptotheGodswhenwesacrifice?
Cle。Certainly。
Ath。Andourthirdlaw,ifIamnotmistaken,willbetotheeffectthatourpoets,understandingprayerstoberequestswhichwemaketotheGods,willtakeespecialheedthattheydonotbymistakeaskforevilinsteadofgood。Tomakesuchaprayerwouldsurelybetooridiculous。
Cle。Verytrue。
Ath。WerewenotalittlewhileagoquiteconvincedthatnosilverorgoldenPlutusshoulddwellinourstate?
Cle。Tobesure。
Ath。Andwhathasitbeentheobjectofourargumenttoshow?Didwenotimplythatthepoetsarenotalwaysquitecapableofknowingwhatisgoodorevil?Andifoneofthemuttersamistakenprayerinsongorwords,hewillmakeourcitizensprayfortheoppositeofwhatisgoodinmattersofthehighestimport;thanwhich,asIwassaying,therecanbefewgreatermistakes。ShallwethenproposeasoneofourlawsandmodelsrelatingtotheMuses-
Cle。What?-willyouexplainthelawmoreprecisely?
Ath。Shallwemakealawthatthepoetshallcomposenothingcontrarytotheideasofthelawful,orjust,orbeautiful,orgood,whichareallowedinthestate?norshallhebepermittedtocommunicatehiscompositionstoanyprivateindividuals,untilheshallhaveshownthemtotheappointedjudgesandtheguardiansofthelaw,andtheyaresatisfiedwiththem。Astothepersonswhomweappointtobeourlegislatorsaboutmusicandastothedirectorofeducation,thesehavebeenalreadyindicated。Oncemorethen,asI
haveaskedmorethanonce,shallthisbeourthirdlaw,andtype,andmodel-Whatdoyousay?
Cle。Letitbeso,byallmeans。
Ath。ThenitwillbepropertohavehymnsandpraisesoftheGods,intermingledwithprayers;andaftertheGodsprayersandpraisesshouldbeofferedinlikemannertodemigodsandheroes,suitabletotheirseveralcharacters。
Cle。Certainly。
Ath。Inthenextplacetherewillbenoobjectiontoalaw,thatcitizenswhoaredepartedandhavedonegoodandenergeticdeeds,eitherwiththeirsoulsorwiththeirbodies,andhavebeenobedienttothelaws,shouldreceiveeulogies;thiswillbeveryfitting。
Cle。Quitetrue。