Cle。True。
Ath。Then,returningtothecouncil,Iwouldsayfurther,thatifweletitdowntobetheanchorofthestate,ourcity,havingeverythingwhichissuitabletoher,willpreserveallthatwewishtopreserve。
Cle。Whatdoyoumean?
Ath。Nowisthetimeformetospeakthetruthinallearnestness。
Cle。Wellsaid,andIhopethatyouwillfulfilyourintention。
Ath。Know,Cleinias,thateverything,inallthatitdoes,hasanaturalsaviour,asofananimalthesoulandtheheadarethechiefsaviours。
Cle。Oncemore,whatdoyoumean?
Ath。Thewell-beingofthosetwoisobviouslythepreservationofeverylivingthing。
Cle。Howisthat?
Ath。Thesoul,besidesotherthings,containsmind,andthehead,besidesotherthings,containssightandhearing;andthemind,minglingwiththenoblestofthesenses,andbecomingonewiththem,maybetrulycalledthesalvationofall。
Cle。Yes,Quiteso。
Ath。Yes,indeed;butwithwhatisthatintellectconcernedwhich,minglingwiththesenses,isthesalvationofshipsinstormsaswellasinfairweather?Inaship,whenthepilotandthesailorsunitetheirperceptionswiththepilotingmind,dotheynotsaveboththemselvesandtheircraft?
Cle。Verytrue。
Ath。Wedonotwantmanyillustrationsaboutsuchmatters:-Whataimwouldthegeneralofanarmy,orwhataimwouldaphysicianproposetohimself,ifhewereseekingtoattainsalvation?
Cle。Verygood。
Ath。Doesnotthegeneralaimatvictoryandsuperiorityinwar,anddonotthephysicianandhisassistantsaimatproducinghealthinthebody?
Cle。Certainly。
Ath。Andaphysicianwhoisignorantaboutthebody,thatistosay,whoknowsnotthatwhichwejustnowcalledhealth,orageneralwhoknowsnotvictory,oranyotherswhoareignorantoftheparticularsoftheartswhichwementioned,cannotbesaidtohaveunderstandingaboutanyofthesematters。
Cle。Theycannot。
Ath。Andwhatwouldyousayofthestate?Ifapersonprovestobeignorantoftheaimtowhichthestatesmanshouldlook,oughthe,inthefirstplace,tobecalledaruleratall;further,willheeverbeabletopreservethatofwhichhedoesnotevenknowtheaim?
Cle。Impossible。
Ath。Andtherefore,ifoursettlementofthecountryistobeperfect,weoughttohavesomeinstitution,which,asIwassaying,willtellwhatistheaimofthestate,andwillinformushowwearetoattainthis,andwhatlaworwhatmanwilladviseustothatend。Anystatewhichhasnosuchinstitutionislikelytobedevoidofmindandsense,andinallheractionswillproceedbymerechance。
Cle。Verytrue。
Ath。Inwhich,then,ofthepartsorinstitutionsofthestateisanysuchguardianpowertobefound?Canwesay?
Cle。Iamnotquitecertain,Stranger;butIhaveasuspicionthatyouarereferringtotheassemblywhichyoujustnowsaidwastomeetatnight。
Ath。Youunderstandmeperfectly,Cleinias;andwemustassume,astheargumentiniplies,thatthiscouncilpossessesallvirtue;andthebeginningofvirtueisnottomakemistakesbyguessingmanythings,buttolooksteadilyatonething,andonthistofixallouraims。
Cle。Quitetrue。
Ath。Thennowweshallseewhythereisnothingwonderfulinstatesgoingastray-thereasonisthattheirlegislatorshavesuchdifferentaims;noristhereanythingwonderfulinsomelayingdownastheirruleofjustice,thatcertainindividualsshouldbearruleinthestate,whethertheybegoodorbad,andothersthatthecitizensshouldberich,notcaringwhethertheyaretheslavesofothermenornot。Thetendencyofothers,again,istowardsfreedom;andsomelegislatewithaviewtotwothingsatonce-theywanttobeatthesametimefreeandthelordsofotherstates;butthewisestmen,astheydeemthemselvestobe,looktoalltheseandsimilaraims,andthereisnooneofthemwhichtheyexclusivelyhonour,andtowhichtheywouldhaveallthingslook。
Cle。Then,Stranger,ourformerassertionwillhold,forweweresayingthatlawsgenerallyshouldlooktoonethingonly;andthis,asweadmitted,wasrightlysaidtobevirtue。
Ath。Yes。
Cle。Andwesaidthatvirtuewasoffourkinds?
Ath。Quitetrue。
Cle。Andthatmindwastheleaderofthefour,andthattoherthethreeothervirtuesandallotherthingsoughttohaveregard?
Ath。Youfollowmecapitally,Cleinias,andIwouldaskyoutofollowmetotheend,forwehavealreadysaidthatthemindofthepilot,themindofthephysicianandofthegenerallooktothatonethingtowhichtheyoughttolook;andnowwemayturntomindpolitical,ofwhich,asofahumancreature,wewillaskaquestion:-O
wonderfulbeing,andtowhatareyoulooking?Thephysicianisabletotellhissingleaiminlife,butyou,thesuperior,asyoudeclareyourselftobe,ofallintelligentbeings,whenyouareaskedarenotabletotell。Canyou,Megillus,andyou,Cleinias,saydistinctlywhatistheaimofmindpolitical,inreturnforthemanyexplanationsofthingswhichIhavegivenyou?
Cle。Wecannot,Stranger。
Ath。Well,butoughtwenottodesiretoseeit,andtoseewhereitistobefound?
Cle。Forexample,where?
Ath。Forexample,weweresayingthattherearefourkindsofvirtue,andastherearefourofthem,eachofthemmustbeone。
Cle。Certainly。
Ath。Andfurther,allfourofthemwecallone;forwesaythatcourageisvirtue,andthatprudenceisvirtue,andthesameofthetwoothers,asiftheywereinrealitynotmanybutone,thatis,virtue。
Cle。Quiteso。
Ath。Thereisnodifficultyinseeinginwhatwaythetwodifferfromoneanother,andhavereceivedtwonames,andsooftherest。Butthereismoredifficultyinexplainingwhywecallthesetwoandtherestofthembythesinglenameofvirtue。
Cle。Howdoyoumean?
Ath。IhavenodifficultyinexplainingwhatImean。Letusdistributethesubjectquestionsandanswers。
Cle。Oncemore,whatdoyoumean?
Ath。Askmewhatisthatonethingwhichcallvirtue,andthenagainspeakofastwo,onepartbeingcourageandtheotherwisdom。Iwilltellyouhowthatoccurs:-Oneofthemhastodowithfear;inthisthebeastsalsoparticipate,andquiteyoungchildren-Imeancourage;
foracourageoustemperisagiftofnatureandnotofreason。Butwithoutreasonthereneverhasbeen,oris,orwillbeawiseandunderstandingsoul;itisofadifferentnature。
Cle。Thatistrue。
Ath。Ihavenowtoldyouinwhatwaythetwoaredifferent,anddoyouinreturntellmeinwhatwaytheyareoneandthesame。SupposethatIaskyouinwhatwaythefourareone,andwhenyouhaveansweredme,youwillhavearighttoaskofmeinreturninwhatwaytheyarefour;andthenletusproceedtoenquirewhetherinthecaseofthingswhichhaveanameandalsoadefinitiontothem,trueknowledgeconsistsinknowingthenameonlyandnotthedefinition。
Canhewhoisgoodforanythingbeignorantofallthiswithoutdiscreditwheregreatandglorioustruthsareconcerned?
Cle。Isupposenot。
Ath。Andisthereanythinggreatertothelegislatorandtheguardianofthelaw,andtohimwhothinksthatheexcelsallothermeninvirtue,andhaswonthepalmofexcellence,thattheseveryqualitiesofwhichwearenowspeaking-courage,temperance,wisdom,justice?
Cle。Howcantherebeanythinggreater?
Ath。Andoughtnottheinterpreters,theteachersthelawgivers,theguardiansoftheothercitizens,toexceltherestofmankind,andperfectlytoshowhimwhodesirestolearnandknoworwhoseevilactionsrequiretobepunishedandreproved,whatisthenatureofvirtueandvice?Orshallsomepoetwhohasfoundhiswayintothecity,orsomechancepersonwhopretendstobeaninstructorofyouth,showhimselftobebetterthanhimwhohaswontheprizeforeveryvirtue?Andcanwewonderthatwhentheguardiansarenotadequateinspeechoraction,andhavenoadequateknowledgeofvirtue,thecitybeingunguardedshouldexperiencethecommonfateofcitiesinourday?
Cle。Wonder!no。
Ath。Well,then,mustwedoaswesaid?Orcanwegiveourguardiansamorepreciseknowledgeofvirtueinspeechandactionthanthemanyhave?oristhereanywayinwhichourcitycanbemadetoresembletheheadandsensesofrationalbeingsbecausepossessingsuchaguardianpower?
Cle。What,Stranger,isthedriftofyourcomparison?
Ath。Dowenotseethatthecityisthetrunk,andarenottheyoungerguardians,whoarechosenfortheirnaturalgifts,placedintheheadofthestate,havingtheirsoulsallfullofeyes,withwhichtheylookaboutthewholecity?Theykeepwatchandhandovertheirperceptionstothememory,andinformtheeldersofallthathappensinthecity;andthosewhomwecomparedtothemind,becausetheyhavemanywisethoughts-thatistosay,theoldmen-takecounselandmakinguseoftheyoungermenastheirministers,andadvisingwiththem-inthiswaybothtogethertrulypreservethewholestate:-Shallthisorsomeotherbetheorderofourstate?Areallourcitizenstobeequalinacquirements,orshalltherebespecialpersonsamongthemwhohavereceivedamorecarefultrainingandeducation?