HERMOGENES:Verylikely。
SOCRATES:Yes,verylikely。Butstilltheenquirydemandsourearnestattentionandwemustnotflinch。Forweshouldremember,thatifapersongoonanalysingnamesintowords,andenquiringalsointotheelementsoutofwhichthewordsareformed,andkeepsonalwaysrepeatingthisprocess,hewhohastoanswerhimmustatlastgiveuptheenquiryindespair。
HERMOGENES:Verytrue。
SOCRATES:Andatwhatpointoughthetoloseheartandgiveuptheenquiry?Musthenotstopwhenhecomestothenameswhicharetheelementsofallothernamesandsentences;forthesecannotbesupposedtobemadeupofothernames?Thewordagathon(good),forexample,is,asweweresaying,acompoundofagastos(admirable)andthoos(swift)。Andprobablythoosismadeupofotherelements,andtheseagainofothers。
Butifwetakeawordwhichisincapableoffurtherresolution,thenweshallberightinsayingthatwehaveatlastreachedaprimaryelement,whichneednotberesolvedanyfurther。
HERMOGENES:Ibelieveyoutobeintheright。
SOCRATES:Andsupposethenamesaboutwhichyouarenowaskingshouldturnouttobeprimaryelements,mustnottheirtruthorlawbeexaminedaccordingtosomenewmethod?
HERMOGENES:Verylikely。
SOCRATES:Quiteso,Hermogenes;allthathasprecededwouldleadtothisconclusion。Andif,asIthink,theconclusionistrue,thenIshallagainsaytoyou,comeandhelpme,thatImaynotfallintosomeabsurdityinstatingtheprincipleofprimarynames。
HERMOGENES:Letmehear,andIwilldomybesttoassistyou。
SOCRATES:Ithinkthatyouwillacknowledgewithme,thatoneprincipleisapplicabletoallnames,primaryaswellassecondary——whentheyareregardedsimplyasnames,thereisnodifferenceinthem。
HERMOGENES:Certainlynot。
SOCRATES:Allthenamesthatwehavebeenexplainingwereintendedtoindicatethenatureofthings。
HERMOGENES:Ofcourse。
SOCRATES:Andthatthisistrueoftheprimaryquiteasmuchasofthesecondarynames,isimpliedintheirbeingnames。
HERMOGENES:Surely。
SOCRATES:Butthesecondary,asIconceive,derivetheirsignificancefromtheprimary。
HERMOGENES:Thatisevident。
SOCRATES:Verygood;butthenhowdotheprimarynameswhichprecedeanalysisshowthenaturesofthings,asfarastheycanbeshown;whichtheymustdo,iftheyaretoberealnames?AndhereIwillaskyouaquestion:Supposethatwehadnovoiceortongue,andwantedtocommunicatewithoneanother,shouldwenot,likethedeafanddumb,makesignswiththehandsandheadandtherestofthebody?
HERMOGENES:Therewouldbenochoice,Socrates。
SOCRATES:Weshouldimitatethenatureofthething;theelevationofourhandstoheavenwouldmeanlightnessandupwardness;heavinessanddownwardnesswouldbeexpressedbylettingthemdroptotheground;ifweweredescribingtherunningofahorse,oranyotheranimal,weshouldmakeourbodiesandtheirgesturesaslikeaswecouldtothem。
HERMOGENES:Idonotseethatwecoulddoanythingelse。
SOCRATES:Wecouldnot;forbybodilyimitationonlycanthebodyeverexpressanything。
HERMOGENES:Verytrue。
SOCRATES:Andwhenwewanttoexpressourselves,eitherwiththevoice,ortongue,ormouth,theexpressionissimplytheirimitationofthatwhichwewanttoexpress。
HERMOGENES:Itmustbeso,Ithink。
SOCRATES:Thenanameisavocalimitationofthatwhichthevocalimitatornamesorimitates?
HERMOGENES:Ithinkso。
SOCRATES:Nay,myfriend,Iamdisposedtothinkthatwehavenotreachedthetruthasyet。
HERMOGENES:Whynot?
SOCRATES:Becauseifwehaveweshallbeobligedtoadmitthatthepeoplewhoimitatesheep,orcocks,orotheranimals,namethatwhichtheyimitate。
HERMOGENES:Quitetrue。
SOCRATES:ThencouldIhavebeenrightinwhatIwassaying?
HERMOGENES:Inmyopinion,no。ButIwishthatyouwouldtellme,Socrates,whatsortofanimitationisaname?
SOCRATES:Inthefirstplace,Ishouldreply,notamusicalimitation,althoughthatisalsovocal;nor,again,animitationofwhatmusicimitates;these,inmyjudgment,wouldnotbenaming。Letmeputthematterasfollows:Allobjectshavesoundandfigure,andmanyhavecolour?
HERMOGENES:Certainly。
SOCRATES:Buttheartofnamingappearsnottobeconcernedwithimitationsofthiskind;theartswhichhavetodowiththemaremusicanddrawing?
HERMOGENES:True。
SOCRATES:Again,istherenotanessenceofeachthing,justasthereisacolour,orsound?Andistherenotanessenceofcolourandsoundaswellasofanythingelsewhichmaybesaidtohaveanessence?
HERMOGENES:Ishouldthinkso。
SOCRATES:Well,andifanyonecouldexpresstheessenceofeachthinginlettersandsyllables,wouldhenotexpressthenatureofeachthing?
HERMOGENES:Quiteso。
SOCRATES:Themusicianandthepainterwerethetwonameswhichyougavetothetwootherimitators。Whatwillthisimitatorbecalled?
HERMOGENES:Iimagine,Socrates,thathemustbethenamer,orname-giver,ofwhomweareinsearch。
SOCRATES:Ifthisistrue,thenIthinkthatweareinaconditiontoconsiderthenamesron(stream),ienai(togo),schesis(retention),aboutwhichyouwereasking;andwemayseewhetherthenamerhasgraspedthenatureoftheminlettersandsyllablesinsuchamannerastoimitatetheessenceornot。
HERMOGENES:Verygood。
SOCRATES:Butarethesetheonlyprimarynames,orarethereothers?
HERMOGENES:Theremustbeothers。
SOCRATES:SoIshouldexpect。Buthowshallwefurtheranalysethem,andwheredoestheimitatorbegin?Imitationoftheessenceismadebysyllablesandletters;oughtwenot,therefore,firsttoseparatetheletters,justasthosewhoarebeginningrhythmfirstdistinguishthepowersofelementary,andthenofcompoundsounds,andwhentheyhavedoneso,butnotbefore,theyproceedtotheconsiderationofrhythms?
HERMOGENES:Yes。
SOCRATES:Mustwenotbegininthesamewaywithletters;firstseparatingthevowels,andthentheconsonantsandmutes(letterswhichareneithervowelsnorsemivowels),intoclasses,accordingtothereceiveddistinctionsofthelearned;alsothesemivowels,whichareneithervowels,noryetmutes;anddistinguishingintoclassesthevowelsthemselves?Andwhenwehaveperfectedtheclassificationofthings,weshallgivethemnames,andseewhether,asinthecaseofletters,thereareanyclassestowhichtheymaybeallreferred(cf。Phaedrus);andhenceweshallseetheirnatures,andsee,too,whethertheyhaveinthemclassesasthereareintheletters;andwhenwehavewellconsideredallthis,weshallknowhowtoapplythemtowhattheyresemble——whetheroneletterisusedtodenoteonething,orwhetherthereistobeanadmixtureofseveralofthem;just,asinpainting,thepainterwhowantstodepictanythingsometimesusespurpleonly,oranyothercolour,andsometimesmixesupseveralcolours,ashismethodiswhenhehastopaintfleshcolouroranythingofthatkind——heuseshiscoloursashisfiguresappeartorequirethem;andso,too,weshallapplyletterstotheexpressionofobjects,eithersingleletterswhenrequired,orseveralletters;andsoweshallformsyllables,astheyarecalled,andfromsyllablesmakenounsandverbs;andthus,atlast,fromthecombinationsofnounsandverbsarriveatlanguage,largeandfairandwhole;andasthepaintermadeafigure,evensoshallwemakespeechbytheartofthenamerortherhetorician,orbysomeotherart。
NotthatIamliterallyspeakingofourselves,butIwascarriedaway——
meaningtosaythatthiswasthewayinwhich(notwebut)theancientsformedlanguage,andwhattheyputtogetherwemusttaketopiecesinlikemanner,ifwearetoattainascientificviewofthewholesubject,andwemustseewhethertheprimary,andalsowhetherthesecondaryelementsarerightlygivenornot,foriftheyarenot,thecompositionofthem,mydearHermogenes,willbeasorrypieceofwork,andinthewrongdirection。
HERMOGENES:That,Socrates,Icanquitebelieve。
SOCRATES:Well,butdoyousupposethatyouwillbeabletoanalysetheminthisway?forIamcertainthatIshouldnot。
HERMOGENES:MuchlessamIlikelytobeable。
SOCRATES:Shallweleavethem,then?orshallweseektodiscover,ifwecan,somethingaboutthem,accordingtothemeasureofourability,sayingbywayofpreface,asIsaidbeforeoftheGods,thatofthetruthaboutthemweknownothing,anddobutentertainhumannotionsofthem。Andinthispresentenquiry,letussaytoourselves,beforeweproceed,thatthehighermethodistheonewhichweorotherswhowouldanalyselanguagetoanygoodpurposemustfollow;butunderthecircumstances,asmensay,wemustdoaswellaswecan。Whatdoyouthink?
HERMOGENES:Iverymuchapprove。
SOCRATES:Thatobjectsshouldbeimitatedinlettersandsyllables,andsofindexpression,mayappearridiculous,Hermogenes,butitcannotbeavoided——thereisnobetterprincipletowhichwecanlookforthetruthoffirstnames。Deprivedofthis,wemusthaverecoursetodivinehelp,likethetragicpoets,whoinanyperplexityhavetheirgodswaitingintheair;
andmustgetoutofourdifficultyinlikefashion,bysayingthat’theGodsgavethefirstnames,andthereforetheyareright。’Thiswillbethebestcontrivance,orperhapsthatothernotionmaybeevenbetterstill,ofderivingthemfromsomebarbarouspeople,forthebarbariansareolderthanweare;orwemaysaythatantiquityhascastaveiloverthem,whichisthesamesortofexcuseasthelast;forallthesearenotreasonsbutonlyingeniousexcusesforhavingnoreasonsconcerningthetruthofwords。Andyetanysortofignoranceoffirstorprimitivenamesinvolvesanignoranceofsecondarywords;fortheycanonlybeexplainedbytheprimary。Clearlythentheprofessoroflanguagesshouldbeabletogiveaverylucidexplanationoffirstnames,orlethimbeassuredhewillonlytalknonsenseabouttherest。Doyounotsupposethistobetrue?
HERMOGENES:Certainly,Socrates。
SOCRATES:Myfirstnotionsoforiginalnamesaretrulywildandridiculous,thoughIhavenoobjectiontoimpartthemtoyouifyoudesire,andIhopethatyouwillcommunicatetomeinreturnanythingbetterwhichyoumayhave。
HERMOGENES:Fearnot;Iwilldomybest。
SOCRATES:Inthefirstplace,theletterrhoappearstometobethegeneralinstrumentexpressingallmotion(kinesis)。ButIhavenotyetexplainedthemeaningofthislatterword,whichisjustiesis(going);fortheletteretawasnotinuseamongtheancients,whoonlyemployedepsilon;andtherootiskiein,whichisaforeignform,thesameasienai。
Andtheoldwordkinesiswillbecorrectlygivenasiesisincorrespondingmodernletters。Assumingthisforeignrootkiein,andallowingforthechangeoftheetaandtheinsertionofthenu,wehavekinesis,whichshouldhavebeenkieinsisoreisis;andstasisisthenegativeofienai(oreisis),andhasbeenimprovedintostasis。Nowtheletterrho,asIwassaying,appearedtotheimposerofnamesanexcellentinstrumentfortheexpressionofmotion;andhefrequentlyusestheletterforthispurpose:
forexample,intheactualwordsreinandroeherepresentsmotionbyrho;
alsointhewordstromos(trembling),trachus(rugged);andagain,inwordssuchaskrouein(strike),thrauein(crush),ereikein(bruise),thruptein(break),kermatixein(crumble),rumbein(whirl):ofallthesesortsofmovementshegenerallyfindsanexpressionintheletterR,because,asI
imagine,hehadobservedthatthetonguewasmostagitatedandleastatrestinthepronunciationofthisletter,whichhethereforeusedinordertoexpressmotion,justasbytheletteriotaheexpressesthesubtleelementswhichpassthroughallthings。Thisiswhyheusestheletteriotaasimitativeofmotion,ienai,iesthai。Andthereisanotherclassofletters,phi,psi,sigma,andxi,ofwhichthepronunciationisaccompaniedbygreatexpenditureofbreath;theseareusedintheimitationofsuchnotionsaspsuchron(shivering),xeon(seething),seiesthai,(tobeshaken),seismos(shock),andarealwaysintroducedbythegiverofnameswhenhewantstoimitatewhatisphusodes(windy)。Heseemstohavethoughtthattheclosingandpressureofthetongueintheutteranceofdeltaandtauwasexpressiveofbindingandrestinaplace:hefurtherobservedtheliquidmovementoflambda,inthepronunciationofwhichthetongueslips,andinthishefoundtheexpressionofsmoothness,asinleios(level),andinthewordoliothanein(toslip)itself,liparon(sleek),inthewordkollodes(gluey),andthelike:theheaviersoundofgammadetainedtheslippingtongue,andtheunionofthetwogavethenotionofaglutinousclammynature,asinglischros,glukus,gloiodes。
Thenuheobservedtobesoundedfromwithin,andthereforetohaveanotionofinwardness;henceheintroducedthesoundinendosandentos:
alphaheassignedtotheexpressionofsize,andnuoflength,becausetheyaregreatletters:omicronwasthesignofroundness,andthereforethereisplentyofomicronmixedupinthewordgoggulon(round)。Thusdidthelegislator,reducingallthingsintolettersandsyllables,andimpressingonthemnamesandsigns,andoutofthembyimitationcompoundingothersigns。Thatismyview,Hermogenes,ofthetruthofnames;butIshouldliketohearwhatCratylushasmoretosay。
HERMOGENES:But,Socrates,asIwastellingyoubefore,Cratylusmystifiesme;hesaysthatthereisafitnessofnames,butheneverexplainswhatisthisfitness,sothatIcannottellwhetherhisobscurityisintendedornot。Tellmenow,Cratylus,hereinthepresenceofSocrates,doyouagreeinwhatSocrateshasbeensayingaboutnames,orhaveyousomethingbetterofyourown?andifyouhave,tellmewhatyourviewis,andthenyouwilleitherlearnofSocrates,orSocratesandIwilllearnofyou。
CRATYLUS:Well,butsurely,Hermogenes,youdonotsupposethatyoucanlearn,orIexplain,anysubjectofimportanceallinamoment;atanyrate,notsuchasubjectaslanguage,whichis,perhaps,theverygreatestofall。
HERMOGENES:No,indeed;but,asHesiodsays,andIagreewithhim,’toaddlittletolittle’isworthwhile。And,therefore,ifyouthinkthatyoucanaddanythingatall,howeversmall,toourknowledge,takealittletroubleandobligeSocrates,andmetoo,whocertainlyhaveaclaimuponyou。
SOCRATES:Iambynomeanspositive,Cratylus,intheviewwhichHermogenesandmyselfhaveworkedout;andthereforedonothesitatetosaywhatyouthink,whichifitbebetterthanmyownviewIshallgladlyaccept。AndIshouldnotbeatallsurprizedtofindthatyouhavefoundsomebetternotion。Foryouhaveevidentlyreflectedonthesemattersandhavehadteachers,andifyouhavereallyabettertheoryofthetruthofnames,youmaycountmeinthenumberofyourdisciples。
CRATYLUS:Youareright,Socrates,insayingthatIhavemadeastudyofthesematters,andImightpossiblyconvertyouintoadisciple。ButI
fearthattheoppositeismoreprobable,andIalreadyfindmyselfmovedtosaytoyouwhatAchillesinthe’Prayers’saystoAjax,——
’IllustriousAjax,sonofTelamon,lordofthepeople,Youappeartohavespokeninallthingsmuchtomymind。’
Andyou,Socrates,appeartometobeanoracle,andtogiveanswersmuchtomymind,whetheryouareinspiredbyEuthyphro,orwhethersomeMusemayhavelongbeenaninhabitantofyourbreast,unconsciouslytoyourself。
SOCRATES:ExcellentCratylus,Ihavelongbeenwonderingatmyownwisdom;
Icannottrustmyself。AndIthinkthatIoughttostopandaskmyselfWhatamIsaying?forthereisnothingworsethanself-deception——whenthedeceiverisalwaysathomeandalwayswithyou——itisquiteterrible,andthereforeIoughtoftentoretracemystepsandendeavourto’lookforeandaft,’inthewordsoftheaforesaidHomer。Andnowletmesee;wherearewe?Havewenotbeensayingthatthecorrectnameindicatesthenatureofthething:——hasthispropositionbeensufficientlyproven?
CRATYLUS:Yes,Socrates,whatyousay,asIamdisposedtothink,isquitetrue。
SOCRATES:Names,then,aregiveninordertoinstruct?
CRATYLUS:Certainly。
SOCRATES:Andnamingisanart,andhasartificers?
CRATYLUS:Yes。
SOCRATES:Andwhoarethey?
CRATYLUS:Thelegislators,ofwhomyouspokeatfirst。
SOCRATES:Anddoesthisartgrowupamongmenlikeotherarts?LetmeexplainwhatImean:ofpainters,somearebetterandsomeworse?
CRATYLUS:Yes。
SOCRATES:Thebetterpaintersexecutetheirworks,Imeantheirfigures,better,andtheworseexecutethemworse;andofbuildersalso,thebettersortbuildfairerhouses,andtheworsebuildthemworse。
CRATYLUS:True。
SOCRATES:Andamonglegislators,therearesomewhodotheirworkbetterandsomeworse?
CRATYLUS:No;thereIdonotagreewithyou。
SOCRATES:Thenyoudonotthinkthatsomelawsarebetterandothersworse?
CRATYLUS:No,indeed。
SOCRATES:Orthatonenameisbetterthananother?
CRATYLUS:Certainlynot。
SOCRATES:Thenallnamesarerightlyimposed?
CRATYLUS:Yes,iftheyarenamesatall。
SOCRATES:Well,whatdoyousaytothenameofourfriendHermogenes,whichwasmentionedbefore:——assumingthathehasnothingofthenatureofHermesinhim,shallwesaythatthisisawrongname,ornothisnameatall?
CRATYLUS:IshouldreplythatHermogenesisnothisnameatall,butonlyappearstobehis,andisreallythenameofsomebodyelse,whohasthenaturewhichcorrespondstoit。
SOCRATES:AndifamanweretocallhimHermogenes,wouldhenotbeevenspeakingfalsely?FortheremaybeadoubtwhetheryoucancallhimHermogenes,ifheisnot。
CRATYLUS:Whatdoyoumean?
SOCRATES:Areyoumaintainingthatfalsehoodisimpossible?ForifthisisyourmeaningIshouldanswer,thattherehavebeenplentyofliarsinallages。
CRATYLUS:Why,Socrates,howcanamansaythatwhichisnot?——saysomethingandyetsaynothing?Forisnotfalsehoodsayingthethingwhichisnot?
SOCRATES:Yourargument,friend,istoosubtleforamanofmyage。ButI
shouldliketoknowwhetheryouareoneofthosephilosopherswhothinkthatfalsehoodmaybespokenbutnotsaid?
CRATYLUS:Neitherspokennorsaid。
SOCRATES:Norutterednoraddressed?Forexample:Ifaperson,salutingyouinaforeigncountry,weretotakeyourhandandsay:’Hail,Athenianstranger,Hermogenes,sonofSmicrion’——thesewords,whetherspoken,said,uttered,oraddressed,wouldhavenoapplicationtoyoubutonlytoourfriendHermogenes,orperhapstonobodyatall?
CRATYLUS:Inmyopinion,Socrates,thespeakerwouldonlybetalkingnonsense。
SOCRATES:Well,butthatwillbequiteenoughforme,ifyouwilltellmewhetherthenonsensewouldbetrueorfalse,orpartlytrueandpartlyfalse:——whichisallthatIwanttoknow。
CRATYLUS:Ishouldsaythathewouldbeputtinghimselfinmotiontonopurpose;andthathiswordswouldbeanunmeaningsoundlikethenoiseofhammeringatabrazenpot。
SOCRATES:Butletussee,Cratylus,whetherwecannotfindameeting-
point,foryouwouldadmitthatthenameisnotthesamewiththethingnamed?
CRATYLUS:Ishould。
SOCRATES:Andwouldyoufurtheracknowledgethatthenameisanimitationofthething?
CRATYLUS:Certainly。
SOCRATES:Andyouwouldsaythatpicturesarealsoimitationsofthings,butinanotherway?
CRATYLUS:Yes。
SOCRATES:Ibelieveyoumayberight,butIdonotrightlyunderstandyou。
Pleasetosay,then,whetherbothsortsofimitation(Imeanbothpicturesorwords)arenotequallyattributableandapplicabletothethingsofwhichtheyaretheimitation。
CRATYLUS:Theyare。
SOCRATES:Firstlookatthematterthus:youmayattributethelikenessofthemantotheman,andofthewomantothewoman;andsoon?
CRATYLUS:Certainly。
SOCRATES:Andconverselyyoumayattributethelikenessofthemantothewoman,andofthewomantotheman?
CRATYLUS:Verytrue。
SOCRATES:Andarebothmodesofassigningthemright,oronlythefirst?
CRATYLUS:Onlythefirst。
SOCRATES:Thatistosay,themodeofassignmentwhichattributestoeachthatwhichbelongstothemandislikethem?
CRATYLUS:Thatismyview。
SOCRATES:Nowthen,asIamdesirousthatwebeingfriendsshouldhaveagoodunderstandingabouttheargument,letmestatemyviewtoyou:thefirstmodeofassignment,whetherappliedtofiguresortonames,Icallright,andwhenappliedtonamesonly,trueaswellasright;andtheothermodeofgivingandassigningthenamewhichisunlike,Icallwrong,andinthecaseofnames,falseaswellaswrong。
CRATYLUS:Thatmaybetrue,Socrates,inthecaseofpictures;theymaybewronglyassigned;butnotinthecaseofnames——theymustbealwaysright。
SOCRATES:Why,whatisthedifference?MayInotgotoamanandsaytohim,’Thisisyourpicture,’showinghimhisownlikeness,orperhapsthelikenessofawoman;andwhenIsay’show,’Imeanbringbeforethesenseofsight。
CRATYLUS:Certainly。
SOCRATES:AndmayInotgotohimagain,andsay,’Thisisyourname’?——
forthename,likethepicture,isanimitation。MayInotsaytohim——
’Thisisyourname’?andmayInotthenbringtohissenseofhearingtheimitationofhimself,whenIsay,’Thisisaman’;orofafemaleofthehumanspecies,whenIsay,’Thisisawoman,’asthecasemaybe?Isnotallthatquitepossible?
CRATYLUS:Iwouldfainagreewithyou,Socrates;andthereforeIsay,Granted。
SOCRATES:Thatisverygoodofyou,ifIamright,whichneedhardlybedisputedatpresent。ButifIcanassignnamesaswellaspicturestoobjects,therightassignmentofthemwemaycalltruth,andthewrongassignmentofthemfalsehood。Nowiftherebesuchawrongassignmentofnames,theremayalsobeawrongorinappropriateassignmentofverbs;andifofnamesandverbsthenofthesentences,whicharemadeupofthem。
Whatdoyousay,Cratylus?
CRATYLUS:Iagree;andthinkthatwhatyousayisverytrue。
SOCRATES:Andfurther,primitivenounsmaybecomparedtopictures,andinpicturesyoumayeithergivealltheappropriatecoloursandfigures,oryoumaynotgivethemall——somemaybewanting;ortheremaybetoomanyortoomuchofthem——maytherenot?
CRATYLUS:Verytrue。
SOCRATES:Andhewhogivesallgivesaperfectpictureorfigure;andhewhotakesawayoraddsalsogivesapictureorfigure,butnotagoodone。
CRATYLUS:Yes。
SOCRATES:Inlikemanner,hewhobysyllablesandlettersimitatesthenatureofthings,ifhegivesallthatisappropriatewillproduceagoodimage,orinotherwordsaname;butifhesubtractsorperhapsaddsalittle,hewillmakeanimagebutnotagoodone;whenceIinferthatsomenamesarewellandothersillmade。
CRATYLUS:Thatistrue。
SOCRATES:Thentheartistofnamesmaybesometimesgood,orhemaybebad?
CRATYLUS:Yes。
SOCRATES:Andthisartistofnamesiscalledthelegislator?
CRATYLUS:Yes。
SOCRATES:Thenlikeotherartiststhelegislatormaybegoodorhemaybebad;itmustsurelybesoifourformeradmissionsholdgood?
CRATYLUS:Verytrue,Socrates;butthecaseoflanguage,yousee,isdifferent;forwhenbythehelpofgrammarweassignthelettersalphaorbeta,oranyotherletterstoacertainname,then,ifweadd,orsubtract,ormisplacealetter,thenamewhichiswrittenisnotonlywrittenwrongly,butnotwrittenatall;andinanyofthesecasesbecomesotherthananame。
SOCRATES:ButIdoubtwhetheryourviewisaltogethercorrect,Cratylus。
CRATYLUS:Howso?
SOCRATES:Ibelievethatwhatyousaymaybetrueaboutnumbers,whichmustbejustwhattheyare,ornotbeatall;forexample,thenumbertenatoncebecomesotherthantenifaunitbeaddedorsubtracted,andsoofanyothernumber:butthisdoesnotapplytothatwhichisqualitativeortoanythingwhichisrepresentedunderanimage。Ishouldsayratherthattheimage,ifexpressingineverypointtheentirereality,wouldnolongerbeanimage。Letussupposetheexistenceoftwoobjects:oneofthemshallbeCratylus,andtheothertheimageofCratylus;andwewillsuppose,further,thatsomeGodmakesnotonlyarepresentationsuchasapainterwouldmakeofyouroutwardformandcolour,butalsocreatesaninwardorganizationlikeyours,havingthesamewarmthandsoftness;andintothisinfusesmotion,andsoul,andmind,suchasyouhave,andinawordcopiesallyourqualities,andplacesthembyyouinanotherform;
wouldyousaythatthiswasCratylusandtheimageofCratylus,orthatthereweretwoCratyluses?
CRATYLUS:IshouldsaythatthereweretwoCratyluses。
SOCRATES:Thenyousee,myfriend,thatwemustfindsomeotherprincipleoftruthinimages,andalsoinnames;andnotinsistthatanimageisnolongeranimagewhensomethingisaddedorsubtracted。Doyounotperceivethatimagesareveryfarfromhavingqualitieswhicharetheexactcounterpartoftherealitieswhichtheyrepresent?
CRATYLUS:Yes,Isee。
SOCRATES:Butthenhowridiculouswouldbetheeffectofnamesonthings,iftheywereexactlythesamewiththem!Fortheywouldbethedoublesofthem,andnoonewouldbeabletodeterminewhichwerethenamesandwhichweretherealities。
CRATYLUS:Quitetrue。
SOCRATES:Thenfearnot,buthavethecouragetoadmitthatonenamemaybecorrectlyandanotherincorrectlygiven;anddonotinsistthatthenameshallbeexactlythesamewiththething;butallowtheoccasionalsubstitutionofawrongletter,andifofaletteralsoofanouninasentence,andifofanouninasentencealsoofasentencewhichisnotappropriatetothematter,andacknowledgethatthethingmaybenamed,anddescribed,solongasthegeneralcharacterofthethingwhichyouaredescribingisretained;andthis,asyouwillremember,wasremarkedbyHermogenesandmyselfintheparticularinstanceofthenamesoftheletters。
CRATYLUS:Yes,Iremember。
SOCRATES:Good;andwhenthegeneralcharacterispreserved,evenifsomeoftheproperlettersarewanting,stillthethingissignified;——well,ifallthelettersaregiven;notwell,whenonlyafewofthemaregiven。I
thinkthatwehadbetteradmitthis,lestwebepunishedliketravellersinAeginawhowanderaboutthestreetlateatnight:andbelikewisetoldbytruthherselfthatwehavearrivedtoolate;orifnot,youmustfindoutsomenewnotionofcorrectnessofnames,andnolongermaintainthatanameistheexpressionofathinginlettersorsyllables;forifyousayboth,youwillbeinconsistentwithyourself。
CRATYLUS:Iquiteacknowledge,Socrates,whatyousaytobeveryreasonable。
SOCRATES:Thenasweareagreedthusfar,letusaskourselveswhetheranamerightlyimposedoughtnottohavetheproperletters。
CRATYLUS:Yes。
SOCRATES:Andtheproperlettersarethosewhicharelikethethings?
CRATYLUS:Yes。
SOCRATES:Enoughthenofnameswhicharerightlygiven。Andinnameswhichareincorrectlygiven,thegreaterpartmaybesupposedtobemadeupofproperandsimilarletters,ortherewouldbenolikeness;buttherewillbelikewiseapartwhichisimproperandspoilsthebeautyandformationoftheword:youwouldadmitthat?
CRATYLUS:Therewouldbenouse,Socrates,inmyquarrellingwithyou,sinceIcannotbesatisfiedthatanamewhichisincorrectlygivenisanameatall。
SOCRATES:Doyouadmitanametobetherepresentationofathing?
CRATYLUS:Yes,Ido。
SOCRATES:Butdoyounotallowthatsomenounsareprimitive,andsomederived?
CRATYLUS:Yes,Ido。
SOCRATES:Thenifyouadmitthatprimitiveorfirstnounsarerepresentationsofthings,isthereanybetterwayofframingrepresentationsthanbyassimilatingthemtotheobjectsasmuchasyoucan;ordoyoupreferthenotionofHermogenesandofmanyothers,whosaythatnamesareconventional,andhaveameaningtothosewhohaveagreedaboutthem,andwhohavepreviousknowledgeofthethingsintendedbythem,andthatconventionistheonlyprinciple;andwhetheryouabidebyourpresentconvention,ormakeanewandoppositeone,accordingtowhichyoucallsmallgreatandgreatsmall——that,theywouldsay,makesnodifference,ifyouareonlyagreed。Whichofthesetwonotionsdoyouprefer?
CRATYLUS:Representationbylikeness,Socrates,isinfinitelybetterthanrepresentationbyanychancesign。
SOCRATES:Verygood:butifthenameistobelikethething,thelettersoutofwhichthefirstnamesarecomposedmustalsobelikethings。
Returningtotheimageofthepicture,Iwouldask,Howcouldanyoneevercomposeapicturewhichwouldbelikeanythingatall,iftherewerenotpigmentsinnaturewhichresembledthethingsimitated,andoutofwhichthepictureiscomposed?
CRATYLUS:Impossible。
SOCRATES:Nomorecouldnameseverresembleanyactuallyexistingthing,unlesstheoriginalelementsofwhichtheyarecompoundedboresomedegreeofresemblancetotheobjectsofwhichthenamesaretheimitation:Andtheoriginalelementsareletters?
CRATYLUS:Yes。
SOCRATES:LetmenowinviteyoutoconsiderwhatHermogenesandIweresayingaboutsounds。Doyouagreewithmethattheletterrhoisexpressiveofrapidity,motion,andhardness?Werewerightorwronginsayingso?
CRATYLUS:Ishouldsaythatyouwereright。
SOCRATES:Andthatlamdawasexpressiveofsmoothness,andsoftness,andthelike?
CRATYLUS:Thereagainyouwereright。
SOCRATES:Andyet,asyouareaware,thatwhichiscalledbyussklerotes,isbytheEretrianscalledskleroter。
CRATYLUS:Verytrue。
SOCRATES:Butarethelettersrhoandsigmaequivalents;andistherethesamesignificancetothemintheterminationrho,whichthereistousinsigma,oristherenosignificancetooneofus?
CRATYLUS:Nay,surelythereisasignificancetobothofus。
SOCRATES:Inasfarastheyarelike,orinasfarastheyareunlike?
CRATYLUS:Inasfarastheyarelike。
SOCRATES:Aretheyaltogetheralike?
CRATYLUS:Yes;forthepurposeofexpressingmotion。
SOCRATES:Andwhatdoyousayoftheinsertionofthelamda?forthatisexpressivenotofhardnessbutofsoftness。
CRATYLUS:Why,perhapstheletterlamdaiswronglyinserted,Socrates,andshouldbealteredintorho,asyouweresayingtoHermogenesandinmyopinionrightly,whenyouspokeofaddingandsubtractinglettersuponoccasion。
SOCRATES:Good。Butstillthewordisintelligibletobothofus;whenI
sayskleros(hard),youknowwhatImean。
CRATYLUS:Yes,mydearfriend,andtheexplanationofthatiscustom。
SOCRATES:Andwhatiscustombutconvention?IutterasoundwhichI
understand,andyouknowthatIunderstandthemeaningofthesound:thisiswhatyouaresaying?
CRATYLUS:Yes。
SOCRATES:AndifwhenIspeakyouknowmymeaning,thereisanindicationgivenbymetoyou?
CRATYLUS:Yes。
SOCRATES:Thisindicationofmymeaningmayproceedfromunlikeaswellasfromlike,forexampleinthelamdaofsklerotes。Butifthisistrue,thenyouhavemadeaconventionwithyourself,andthecorrectnessofanameturnsouttobeconvention,sinceletterswhichareunlikeareindicativeequallywiththosewhicharelike,iftheyaresanctionedbycustomandconvention。Andevensupposingthatyoudistinguishcustomfromconventioneversomuch,stillyoumustsaythatthesignificationofwordsisgivenbycustomandnotbylikeness,forcustommayindicatebytheunlikeaswellasbythelike。Butasweareagreedthusfar,Cratylus(forIshallassumethatyoursilencegivesconsent),thencustomandconventionmustbesupposedtocontributetotheindicationofourthoughts;forsupposewetaketheinstanceofnumber,howcanyoueverimagine,mygoodfriend,thatyouwillfindnamesresemblingeveryindividualnumber,unlessyouallowthatwhichyoutermconventionandagreementtohaveauthorityindeterminingthecorrectnessofnames?I
quiteagreewithyouthatwordsshouldasfaraspossibleresemblethings;
butIfearthatthisdragginginofresemblance,asHermogenessays,isashabbything,whichhastobesupplementedbythemechanicalaidofconventionwithaviewtocorrectness;forIbelievethatifwecouldalways,oralmostalways,uselikenesses,whichareperfectlyappropriate,thiswouldbethemostperfectstateoflanguage;astheoppositeisthemostimperfect。Butletmeaskyou,whatistheforceofnames,andwhatistheuseofthem?
CRATYLUS:Theuseofnames,Socrates,asIshouldimagine,istoinform:
thesimpletruthis,thathewhoknowsnamesknowsalsothethingswhichareexpressedbythem。
SOCRATES:Isupposeyoumeantosay,Cratylus,thatasthenameis,soalsoisthething;andthathewhoknowstheonewillalsoknowtheother,becausetheyaresimilars,andallsimilarsfallunderthesameartorscience;andthereforeyouwouldsaythathewhoknowsnameswillalsoknowthings。
CRATYLUS:ThatispreciselywhatImean。
SOCRATES:Butletusconsiderwhatisthenatureofthisinformationaboutthingswhich,accordingtoyou,isgivenusbynames。Isitthebestsortofinformation?oristhereanyother?Whatdoyousay?
CRATYLUS:Ibelievethattobeboththeonlyandthebestsortofinformationaboutthem;therecanbenoother。
SOCRATES:Butdoyoubelievethatinthediscoveryofthem,hewhodiscoversthenamesdiscoversalsothethings;oristhisonlythemethodofinstruction,andistheresomeothermethodofenquiryanddiscovery。
CRATYLUS:Icertainlybelievethatthemethodsofenquiryanddiscoveryareofthesamenatureasinstruction。
SOCRATES:Well,butdoyounotsee,Cratylus,thathewhofollowsnamesinthesearchafterthings,andanalysestheirmeaning,isingreatdangerofbeingdeceived?
CRATYLUS:Howso?
SOCRATES:Whyclearlyhewhofirstgavenamesgavethemaccordingtohisconceptionofthethingswhichtheysignified——didhenot?
CRATYLUS:True。
SOCRATES:Andifhisconceptionwaserroneous,andhegavenamesaccordingtohisconception,inwhatpositionshallwewhoarehisfollowersfindourselves?Shallwenotbedeceivedbyhim?
CRATYLUS:But,Socrates,amInotrightinthinkingthathemustsurelyhaveknown;orelse,asIwassaying,hisnameswouldnotbenamesatall?
Andyouhaveaclearproofthathehasnotmissedthetruth,andtheproofis——thatheisperfectlyconsistent。Didyoueverobserveinspeakingthatallthewordswhichyouutterhaveacommoncharacterandpurpose?
SOCRATES:Butthat,friendCratylus,isnoanswer。Forifhedidbegininerror,hemayhaveforcedtheremainderintoagreementwiththeoriginalerrorandwithhimself;therewouldbenothingstrangeinthis,anymorethaningeometricaldiagrams,whichhaveoftenaslightandinvisibleflawinthefirstpartoftheprocess,andareconsistentlymistakeninthelongdeductionswhichfollow。Andthisisthereasonwhyeverymanshouldexpendhischiefthoughtandattentionontheconsiderationofhisfirstprinciples:——aretheyoraretheynotrightlylaiddown?andwhenhehasdulysiftedthem,alltherestwillfollow。NowIshouldbeastonishedtofindthatnamesarereallyconsistent。Andhereletusreverttoourformerdiscussion:Werewenotsayingthatallthingsareinmotionandprogressandflux,andthatthisideaofmotionisexpressedbynames?Doyounotconceivethattobethemeaningofthem?
CRATYLUS:Yes;thatisassuredlytheirmeaning,andthetruemeaning。
SOCRATES:Letusreverttoepisteme(knowledge)andobservehowambiguousthiswordis,seemingrathertosignifystoppingthesoulatthingsthangoingroundwiththem;andthereforeweshouldleavethebeginningasatpresent,andnotrejecttheepsilon,butmakeaninsertionofaniotainsteadofanepsilon(notpioteme,butepiisteme)。Takeanotherexample:
bebaion(sure)isclearlytheexpressionofstationandposition,andnotofmotion。Again,thewordistoria(enquiry)bearsuponthefaceofitthestopping(istanai)ofthestream;andthewordpiston(faithful)certainlyindicatescessationofmotion;then,again,mneme(memory),asanyonemaysee,expressesrestinthesoul,andnotmotion。Moreover,wordssuchasamartiaandsumphora,whichhaveabadsense,viewedinthelightoftheiretymologieswillbethesameassunesisandepistemeandotherwordswhichhaveagoodsense(compareomartein,sunienai,epesthai,sumpheresthai);
andmuchthesamemaybesaidofamathiaandakolasia,foramathiamaybeexplainedaseamatheoiontosporeia,andakolasiaaseakolouthiatoispragmasin。Thusthenameswhichintheseinstanceswefindtohavetheworstsense,willturnouttobeframedonthesameprincipleasthosewhichhavethebest。AndanyoneIbelievewhowouldtakethetroublemightfindmanyotherexamplesinwhichthegiverofnamesindicates,notthatthingsareinmotionorprogress,butthattheyareatrest;whichistheoppositeofmotion。
CRATYLUS:Yes,Socrates,butobserve;thegreaternumberexpressmotion。
SOCRATES:Whatofthat,Cratylus?Arewetocountthemlikevotes?andiscorrectnessofnamesthevoiceofthemajority?Arewetosayofwhicheversorttherearemost,thosearethetrueones?
CRATYLUS:No;thatisnotreasonable。
SOCRATES:Certainlynot。Butletushavedonewiththisquestionandproceedtoanother,aboutwhichIshouldliketoknowwhetheryouthinkwithme。Werewenotlatelyacknowledgingthatthefirstgiversofnamesinstates,bothHellenicandbarbarous,werethelegislators,andthattheartwhichgavenameswastheartofthelegislator?
CRATYLUS:Quitetrue。
SOCRATES:Tellme,then,didthefirstlegislators,whowerethegiversofthefirstnames,knowornotknowthethingswhichtheynamed?
CRATYLUS:Theymusthaveknown,Socrates。
SOCRATES:Why,yes,friendCratylus,theycouldhardlyhavebeenignorant。
CRATYLUS:Ishouldsaynot。
SOCRATES:Letusreturntothepointfromwhichwedigressed。Youweresaying,ifyouremember,thathewhogavenamesmusthaveknownthethingswhichhenamed;areyoustillofthatopinion?
CRATYLUS:Iam。
SOCRATES:Andwouldyousaythatthegiverofthefirstnameshadalsoaknowledgeofthethingswhichhenamed?
CRATYLUS:Ishould。
SOCRATES:Buthowcouldhehavelearnedordiscoveredthingsfromnamesiftheprimitivenameswerenotyetgiven?For,ifwearecorrectinourview,theonlywayoflearninganddiscoveringthings,iseithertodiscovernamesforourselvesortolearnthemfromothers。
CRATYLUS:Ithinkthatthereisagooddealinwhatyousay,Socrates。
SOCRATES:Butifthingsareonlytobeknownthroughnames,howcanwesupposethatthegiversofnameshadknowledge,orwerelegislatorsbeforetherewerenamesatall,andthereforebeforetheycouldhaveknownthem?
CRATYLUS:Ibelieve,Socrates,thetrueaccountofthemattertobe,thatapowermorethanhumangavethingstheirfirstnames,andthatthenameswhicharethusgivenarenecessarilytheirtruenames。
SOCRATES:Thenhowcamethegiverofthenames,ifhewasaninspiredbeingorGod,tocontradicthimself?Forwerewenotsayingjustnowthathemadesomenamesexpressiveofrestandothersofmotion?Werewemistaken?
CRATYLUS:ButIsupposeoneofthetwonottobenamesatall。
SOCRATES:Andwhich,then,didhemake,mygoodfriend;thosewhichareexpressiveofrest,orthosewhichareexpressiveofmotion?Thisisapointwhich,asIsaidbefore,cannotbedeterminedbycountingthem。
CRATYLUS:No;notinthatway,Socrates。
SOCRATES:Butifthisisabattleofnames,someofthemassertingthattheyarelikethetruth,otherscontendingthatTHEYare,howorbywhatcriterionarewetodecidebetweenthem?Fortherearenoothernamestowhichappealcanbemade,butobviouslyrecoursemustbehadtoanotherstandardwhich,withoutemployingnames,willmakeclearwhichofthetwoareright;andthismustbeastandardwhichshowsthetruthofthings。
CRATYLUS:Iagree。
SOCRATES:Butifthatistrue,Cratylus,thenIsupposethatthingsmaybeknownwithoutnames?
CRATYLUS:Clearly。
SOCRATES:Buthowwouldyouexpecttoknowthem?Whatotherwaycantherebeofknowingthem,exceptthetrueandnaturalway,throughtheiraffinities,whentheyareakintoeachother,andthroughthemselves?Forthatwhichisotheranddifferentfromthemmustsignifysomethingotheranddifferentfromthem。
CRATYLUS:Whatyouaresayingis,Ithink,true。
SOCRATES:Well,butreflect;havewenotseveraltimesacknowledgedthatnamesrightlygivenarethelikenessesandimagesofthethingswhichtheyname?
CRATYLUS:Yes。
SOCRATES:Letussupposethattoanyextentyoupleaseyoucanlearnthingsthroughthemediumofnames,andsupposealsothatyoucanlearnthemfromthethingsthemselves——whichislikelytobethenoblerandclearerway;tolearnoftheimage,whethertheimageandthetruthofwhichtheimageistheexpressionhavebeenrightlyconceived,ortolearnofthetruthwhetherthetruthandtheimageofithavebeendulyexecuted?
CRATYLUS:Ishouldsaythatwemustlearnofthetruth。
SOCRATES:Howrealexistenceistobestudiedordiscoveredis,Isuspect,beyondyouandme。Butwemayadmitsomuch,thattheknowledgeofthingsisnottobederivedfromnames。No;theymustbestudiedandinvestigatedinthemselves。
CRATYLUS:Clearly,Socrates。
SOCRATES:Thereisanotherpoint。Ishouldnotlikeustobeimposeduponbytheappearanceofsuchamultitudeofnames,alltendinginthesamedirection。Imyselfdonotdenythatthegiversofnamesdidreallygivethemundertheideathatallthingswereinmotionandflux;whichwastheirsincerebut,Ithink,mistakenopinion。Andhavingfallenintoakindofwhirlpoolthemselves,theyarecarriedround,andwanttodragusinafterthem。Thereisamatter,masterCratylus,aboutwhichIoftendream,andshouldliketoaskyouropinion:Tellme,whetherthereisorisnotanyabsolutebeautyorgood,oranyotherabsoluteexistence?
CRATYLUS:Certainly,Socrates,Ithinkso。
SOCRATES:Thenletusseekthetruebeauty:notaskingwhetherafaceisfair,oranythingofthatsort,forallsuchthingsappeartobeinaflux;
butletusaskwhetherthetruebeautyisnotalwaysbeautiful。
CRATYLUS:Certainly。
SOCRATES:Andcanwerightlyspeakofabeautywhichisalwayspassingaway,andisfirstthisandthenthat;mustnotthesamethingbebornandretireandvanishwhilethewordisinourmouths?
CRATYLUS:Undoubtedly。
SOCRATES:Thenhowcanthatbearealthingwhichisneverinthesamestate?forobviouslythingswhicharethesamecannotchangewhiletheyremainthesame;andiftheyarealwaysthesameandinthesamestate,andneverdepartfromtheiroriginalform,theycanneverchangeorbemoved。
CRATYLUS:Certainlytheycannot。
SOCRATES:Noryetcantheybeknownbyanyone;foratthemomentthattheobserverapproaches,thentheybecomeotherandofanothernature,sothatyoucannotgetanyfurtherinknowingtheirnatureorstate,foryoucannotknowthatwhichhasnostate。
CRATYLUS:True。
SOCRATES:Norcanwereasonablysay,Cratylus,thatthereisknowledgeatall,ifeverythingisinastateoftransitionandthereisnothingabiding;forknowledgetoocannotcontinuetobeknowledgeunlesscontinuingalwaystoabideandexist。Butiftheverynatureofknowledgechanges,atthetimewhenthechangeoccurstherewillbenoknowledge;andifthetransitionisalwaysgoingon,therewillalwaysbenoknowledge,and,accordingtothisview,therewillbenoonetoknowandnothingtobeknown:butifthatwhichknowsandthatwhichisknownexistsever,andthebeautifulandthegoodandeveryotherthingalsoexist,thenIdonotthinkthattheycanresembleaprocessorflux,aswewerejustnowsupposing。Whetherthereisthiseternalnatureinthings,orwhetherthetruthiswhatHeracleitusandhisfollowersandmanyotherssay,isaquestionhardtodetermine;andnomanofsensewillliketoputhimselfortheeducationofhismindinthepowerofnames:neitherwillhesofartrustnamesorthegiversofnamesastobeconfidentinanyknowledgewhichcondemnshimselfandotherexistencestoanunhealthystateofunreality;hewillnotbelievethatallthingsleaklikeapot,orimaginethattheworldisamanwhohasarunningatthenose。Thismaybetrue,Cratylus,butisalsoverylikelytobeuntrue;andthereforeIwouldnothaveyoubetooeasilypersuadedofit。Reflectwellandlikeaman,anddonoteasilyacceptsuchadoctrine;foryouareyoungandofanagetolearn。Andwhenyouhavefoundthetruth,comeandtellme。
CRATYLUS:Iwilldoasyousay,thoughIcanassureyou,Socrates,thatI
havebeenconsideringthematteralready,andtheresultofagreatdealoftroubleandconsiderationisthatIinclinetoHeracleitus。
SOCRATES:Then,anotherday,myfriend,whenyoucomeback,youshallgivemealesson;butatpresent,gointothecountry,asyouareintending,andHermogenesshallsetyouonyourway。
CRATYLUS:Verygood,Socrates;Ihope,however,thatyouwillcontinuetothinkaboutthesethingsyourself。