Cle。Whatdoyoumean?
  Ath。Letusselectofthetenmotionstheonewhichmindchieflyresembles;thisIwillbringtoyourrecollection,andwillthenmaketheansweronbehalfofusall。
  Cle。Thatwillbeexcellent。
  Ath。Youwillsurelyrememberoursayingthatallthingswereeitheratrestorinmotion?
  Cle。Ido。
  Ath。Andthatofthingsinmotionsomeweremovinginoneplace,andothersinmorethanone?
  Cle。Yes。
  Ath。Ofthesetwokindsofmotion,thatwhichmovesinoneplacemustmoveaboutacentrelikeglobesmadeinalathe,andismostentirelyakinandsimilartothecircularmovementofmind。
  Cle。Whatdoyoumean?
  Ath。Insayingthatbothmindandthemotionwhichisinoneplacemoveinthesameandlikemanner,inandaboutthesame,andinrelationtothesame,andaccordingtooneproportionandorder,andarelikethemotionofaglobe,weinventedafairimage,whichdoesnodiscredittoouringenuity。
  Cle。Itdoesusgreatcredit。
  Ath。Andthemotionoftheothersortwhichisnotafterthesamemanner,norinthesame,noraboutthesame,norinrelationtothesame,norinoneplace,norinorder,noraccordingtoanyruleorproportion,maybesaidtobeakintosenselessnessandfolly?
  Cle。Thatismosttrue。
  Ath。Then,afterwhathasbeensaid,thereisnodifficultyindistinctlystating,thatsincesoulcarriesallthingsround,eitherthebestsoulorthecontrarymustofnecessitycarryroundandorderandarrangetherevolutionoftheheaven。
  Cle。Andjudgingfromwhathasbeensaid,Stranger,therewouldbeimpietyinassertingthatanybutthemostperfectsoulorsoulscarriesroundtheheavens。
  Ath。Youhaveunderstoodmymeaningrightwell,Cleinias,andnowletmeaskyouanotherquestion。
  Cle。Whatareyougoingtoask?
  Ath。Ifthesoulcarriesroundthesunandmoon,andtheotherstars,doesshenotcarryroundeachindividualofthem?
  Cle。Certainly。
  Ath。Thenofoneofthemletusspeak,andthesameargumentwillapplytoall。
  Cle。Whichwillyoutake?
  Ath。Everyoneseesthebodyofthesun,butnooneseeshissoul,northesoulofanyotherbodylivingordead;andyetthereisgreatreasontobelievethatthisnature,unperceivedbyanyofoursenses,iscircumfusedaroundthemall,butisperceivedbymind;
  andthereforebymindandreflectiononlyletusapprehendthefollowingpoint。
  Cle。Whatisthat?
  Ath。Ifthesoulcarriesroundthesun,weshallnotbefarwronginsupposingoneofthreealternatives。
  Cle。Whatarethey?
  Ath。Eitherthesoulwhichmovesthesunthiswayandthat,resideswithinthecircularandvisiblebody,likethesoulwhichcarriesusabouteveryway;orthesoulprovidesherselfwithanexternalbodyoffireorair,assomeaffirm,andviolentlypropelsbodybybody;orthirdly,sheiswithoutsuchabody,butguidesthesunbysomeextraordinaryandwonderfulpower。
  Cle。Yes,certainly;thesoulcanonlyorderallthingsinoneofthesethreeways。
  Ath。Andthissoulofthesun,whichisthereforebetterthanthesun,whethertakingthesunaboutinachariottogivelighttomen,oractingfromwithoutorinwhateverway,oughtbyeverymantobedeemedaGod。
  Cle。Yes,byeverymanwhohastheleastparticleofsense。
  Ath。Andofthestarstoo,andofthemoon,andoftheyearsandmonthsandseasons,mustwenotsayinlikemanner,thatsinceasoulorsoulshavingeverysortofexcellencearethecausesofallofthem,thosesoulsareGods,whethertheyarelivingbeingsandresideinbodies,andinthiswayorderthewholeheaven,orwhateverbetheplaceandmodeoftheirexistence;-andwillanyonewhoadmitsallthisventuretodenythatallthingsfullofGods?
  Cle。Noone,Stranger,wouldbesuchamadman。
  Ath。Andnow,MegillusandCleinias,letusoffertermstohimwhohashithertodeniedtheexistenceoftheGods,andleavehim。
  Cle。Whatterms?
  Ath。Eitherheshallteachusthatwewerewronginsayingthatthesoulistheoriginalofallthings,andarguingaccordingly;or,ifhebenotabletosayanythingbetter,thenhemustyieldtousandlivefortheremainderofhislifeinthebeliefthatthereareGods-Letussee,then,whetherwehavesaidenoughornotenoughtothosewhodenythatthereareGods。
  Cle。Certainly-quiteenough,Stranger。
  Ath。Thentothemwewillsaynomore。Andnowwearetoaddresshimwho,believingthatthereareGods,believesalsothattheytakenoheedofhumanaffairs:Tohimwesay-Othoubestofmen,inbelievingthatthereareGodsyouareledbysomeaffinitytothem,whichattractsyoutowardsyourkindredandmakesyouhonourandbelieveinthem。Butthefortunesofevilandunrighteousmeninprivateaswellaspubliclife,which,thoughnotreallyhappy,arewronglycountedhappyinthejudgmentofmen,andarecelebratedbothbypoetsandprosewriters-thesedrawyouasidefromyournaturalpiety。Perhapsyouhaveseenimpiousmengrowingoldandleavingtheirchildren’schildreninhighoffices,andtheirprosperityshakesyourfaith-youhaveknownorheardorbeenyourselfaneyewitnessofmanymonstrousimpieties,andhavebeheldmenbysuchcriminalmeansfromsmallbeginningsattainingtosovereigntyandthepinnacleofgreatness;andconsideringallthesethingsyoudonotliketoaccusetheGodsofthem,becausetheyareyourrelatives;
  andsofromsomewantofreasoningpower,andalsofromanunwillingnesstofindfaultwiththem,youhavecometobelievethattheyexistindeed,buthavenothoughtorcareofhumanthings。Now,thatyourpresentevilopinionmaynotgrowtostillgreaterimpiety,andthatwemayifpossibleuseargumentswhichmayconjureawaytheevilbeforeitarrives,wewilladdanotherargumenttothatoriginallyaddressedtohimwhoutterlydeniedtheexistenceoftheGods。Anddoyou,MegillusandCleinias,answerfortheyoungmanasyoudidbefore;andifanyimpedimentcomesinourway,I
  willtakethewordoutofyourmouths,andcarryyouovertheriverasIdidjustnow。
  Cle。Verygood;doasyousay,andwewillhelpyouaswellaswecan。
  Ath。TherewillprobablybenodifficultyinprovingtohimthattheGodscareaboutthesmallaswellasaboutthegreat。Forhewaspresentandheardwhatwassaid,thattheyareperfectlygood,andthatthecareofallthingsismostentirelynaturaltothem。
  Cle。Nodoubtheheardthat。
  Ath。Letusconsidertogetherinthenextplacewhatwemeanbythisvirtuewhichweascribetothem。Surelyweshouldsaythattobetemperateandtopossessmindbelongstovirtue,andthecontrarytovice?
  Cle。Certainly。
  Ath。Yes;andcourageisapartofvirtue,andcowardiceofvice?
  Cle。True。
  Ath。Andtheoneishonourable,andtheotherdishonourable?
  Cle。Tobesure。
  Ath。Andtheone,likeothermeanerthings,isahumanquality,buttheGodshavenopartinanythingofthesort?
  Cle。Thatagainiswhateverybodywilladmit。
  Ath。Butdoweimaginecarelessnessandidlenessandluxurytobevirtues?Whatdoyouthink?
  Cle。Decidedlynot。
  Ath。Theyrankundertheoppositeclass?
  Cle。Yes。
  Ath。Andtheiropposites,therefore,wouldfallundertheoppositeclass?
  Cle。Yes。
  Ath。Butarewetosupposethatonewhopossessesallthesegoodqualitieswillbeluxuriousandheedlessandidle,likethosewhomthepoetcomparestostinglessdrones?
  Cle。Andthecomparisonisamostjustone。
  Ath。SurelyGodmustnotbesupposedtohaveanaturewhichhehimselfhates?-hewhodarestosaythissortofthingmustnotbetoleratedforamoment。
  Cle。Ofcoursenot。Howcouldhehave?
  Ath。Shouldwenotonanyprinciplebeentirelymistakeninpraisinganyonewhohassomespecialbusinessentrustedtohim,ifhehaveamindwhichtakescareofgreatmattersandnocareofsmallones?
  Reflect;hewhoactsinthisway,whetherhebeGodorman,mustactfromoneoftwoprinciples。
  Cle。Whatarethey?
  Ath。Eitherhemustthinkthattheneglectofthesmallmattersisofnoconsequencetothewhole,orifheknowsthattheyareofconsequence,andheneglectsthem,hisneglectmustbeattributedtocarelessnessandindolence。Isthereanyotherwayinwhichhisneglectcanbeexplained?Forsurely,whenitisimpossibleforhimtotakecareofall,heisnotnegligentifhefailstoattendtothesethingsgreatorsmall,whichaGodorsomeinferiorbeingmightbewantinginstrengthorcapacitytomanage?
  Cle。Certainlynot。
  Ath。Now,then,letusexaminetheoffenders,whobothalikeconfessthatthereareGods,butwithadifference-theonesayingthattheymaybeappeased,andtheotherthattheyhavenocareofsmallmatters:therearethreeofusandtwoofthem,andwewillsaytothem-Inthefirstplace,youbothacknowledgethattheGodshearandseeandknowallthings,andthatnothingcanescapethemwhichismatterofsenseandknowledge:-doyouadmitthis?
  Cle。Yes。
  Ath。Anddoyouadmitalsothattheyhaveallpowerwhichmortalsandimmortalscanhave?
  Cle。Theywill,ofcourse,admitthisalso。
  Ath。Andsurelywethreeandtheytwo-fiveinall-haveacknowledgedthattheyaregoodandperfect?
  Cle。Assuredly。
  Ath。But,iftheyaresuchasweconceivethemtobe,canwepossiblysupposethattheyeveractinthespiritofcarelessnessandindolence?Forinusinactivityisthechildofcowardice,andcarelessnessofinactivityandindolence。
  Cle。Mosttrue。
  Ath。ThennotfrominactivityandcarelessnessisanyGodevernegligent;forthereisnocowardiceinthem。
  Cle。Thatisverytrue。
  Ath。Thenthealternativewhichremainsis,thatiftheGodsneglectthelighterandlesserconcernsoftheuniverse,theyneglectthembecausetheyknowthattheyoughtnottocareaboutsuchmatters-whatotheralternativeistherebuttheoppositeoftheirknowing?
  Cle。Thereisnone。