WhenThrasymachushasbeensilenced,thetwoprincipalrespondents,GlauconandAdeimantus,appearonthescene:here,asinGreektragedy,threeactorsareintroduced。AtfirstsightthetwosonsofAristonmayseemtowearafamilylikeness,likethetwofriendsSimmiasandCebesinthePhaedo。Butonanearerexaminationofthemthesimilarityvanishes,andtheyareseentobedistinctcharacters。Glauconistheimpetuousyouthwhocan"justneverhaveenoughoffechting"(cf。thecharacterofhiminXen。Mem。iii。6);
  themanofpleasurewhoisacquaintedwiththemysteriesoflove;
  the"juvenisquigaudetcanibus,"andwhoimprovesthebreedofanimals;theloverofartandmusicwhohasalltheexperiencesofyouthfullife。Heisfullofquicknessandpenetration,piercingeasilybelowtheclumsyplatitudesofThrasymachustotherealdifficulty;heturnsouttothelighttheseamysideofhumanlife,andyetdoesnotlosefaithinthejustandtrue。ItisGlauconwhoseizeswhatmaybetermedtheludicrousrelationofthephilosophertotheworld,towhomastateofsimplicityis"acityofpigs,"whoisalwayspreparedwithajestwhentheargumentoffershimanopportunity,andwhoiseverreadytosecondthehumorofSocratesandtoappreciatetheridiculous,whetherintheconnoisseursofmusic,orintheloversoftheatricals,orinthefantasticbehaviorofthecitizensofdemocracy。HisweaknessesareseveraltimesalludedtobySocrates,who,however,willnotallowhimtobeattackedbyhisbrotherAdeimantus。Heisasoldier,and,likeAdeimantus,hasbeendistinguishedatthebattleofMegara。
  ThecharacterofAdeimantusisdeeperandgraver,andtheprofounderobjectionsarecommonlyputintohismouth。Glauconismoredemonstrative,andgenerallyopensthegame。Adeimantuspursuestheargumentfurther。Glauconhasmoreofthelivelinessandquicksympathyofyouth;Adeimantushasthematurerjudgmentofagrown—upmanoftheworld。Inthesecondbook,whenGlauconinsiststhatjusticeandinjusticeshallbeconsideredwithoutregardtotheirconsequences,Adeimantusremarksthattheyareregardedbymankindingeneralonlyforthesakeoftheirconsequences;andinasimilarveinofreflectionheurgesatthebeginningofthefourthbookthatSocratesfallsinmakinghiscitizenshappy,andisansweredthathappinessisnotthefirstbutthesecondthing,notthedirectaimbuttheindirectconsequenceofthegoodgovernmentofaState。Inthediscussionaboutreligionandmythology,Adeimantusistherespondent,butGlauconbreaksinwithaslightjest,andcarriesontheconversationinalightertoneaboutmusicandgymnastictotheendofthebook。ItisAdeimantusagainwhovolunteersthecriticismofcommonsenseontheSocraticmethodofargument,andwhorefusestoletSocratespasslightlyoverthequestionofwomenandchildren。
  ItisAdeimantuswhoistherespondentinthemoreargumentative,asGlauconinthelighterandmoreimaginativeportionsoftheDialogue。Forexample,throughoutthegreaterpartofthesixthbook,thecausesofthecorruptionofphilosophyandtheconceptionoftheideaofgoodarediscussedwithAdeimantus。ThenGlauconresumeshisplaceofprincipalrespondent;buthehasadifficultyinapprehendingthehighereducationofSocrates,andmakessomefalsehitsinthecourseofthediscussion。OncemoreAdeimantusreturnswiththeallusiontohisbrotherGlauconwhomhecomparestothecontentiousState;inthenextbookheisagainsuperseded,andGlauconcontinuestotheend。
  ThusinasuccessionofcharactersPlatorepresentsthesuccessivestagesofmorality,beginningwiththeAtheniangentlemanoftheoldentime,whoisfollowedbythepracticalmanofthatdayregulatinghislifebyproverbsandsaws;tohimsucceedsthewildgeneralizationoftheSophists,andlastlycometheyoungdisciplesofthegreatteacher,whoknowthesophisticalargumentsbutwillnotbeconvincedbythem,anddesiretogodeeperintothenatureofthings。Thesetoo,likeCephalus,Polemarchus,Thrasymachus,areclearlydistinguishedfromoneanother。NeitherintheRepublic,norinanyotherDialogueofPlato,isasinglecharacterrepeated。
  ThedelineationofSocratesintheRepublicisnotwhollyconsistent。InthefirstbookwehavemoreoftherealSocrates,suchasheisdepictedintheMemorabiliaofXenophon,intheearliestDialoguesofPlato,andintheApology。Heisironical,provoking,questioning,theoldenemyoftheSophists,readytoputonthemaskofSilenusaswellastoargueseriously。ButinthesixthbookhisenmitytowardstheSophistsabates;heacknowledgesthattheyaretherepresentativesratherthanthecorruptersoftheworld。Healsobecomesmoredogmaticandconstructive,passingbeyondtherangeeitherofthepoliticalorthespeculativeideasoftherealSocrates。
  InonepassagePlatohimselfseemstointimatethatthetimehadnowcomeforSocrates,whohadpassedhiswholelifeinphilosophy,togivehisownopinionandnottobealwaysrepeatingthenotionsofothermen。ThereisnoevidencethateithertheideaofgoodortheconceptionofaperfectStatewerecomprehendedintheSocraticteaching,thoughhecertainlydweltonthenatureoftheuniversalandoffinalcauses(cp。Xen。Mem。i。4;Phaedo97);andadeepthinkerlikehiminhisthirtyorfortyyearsofpublicteaching,couldhardlyhavefalledtotouchonthenatureoffamilyrelations,forwhichthereisalsosomepositiveevidenceintheMemorabilia(Mem。i。2,51
  foll。)TheSocraticmethodisnominallyretained;andeveryinferenceiseitherputintothemouthoftherespondentorrepresentedasthecommondiscoveryofhimandSocrates。Butanyonecanseethatthisisamereform,ofwhichtheaffectationgrowswearisomeastheworkadvances。Themethodofinquiryhaspassedintoamethodofteachinginwhichbythehelpofinterlocutorsthesamethesisislookedatfromvariouspointsofview。
  ThenatureoftheprocessistrulycharacterizedbyGlaucon,whenhedescribeshimselfasacompanionwhoisnotgoodformuchinaninvestigation,butcanseewhatheisshown,andmay,perhaps,givetheanswertoaquestionmorefluentlythananother。
  Neithercanwebeabsolutelycertainthat,Socrateshimselftaughttheimmortalityofthesoul,whichisunknowntohisdiscipleGlauconintheRepublic;noristhereanyreasontosupposethatheusedmythsorrevelationsofanotherworldasavehicleofinstruction,orthathewouldhavebanishedpoetryorhavedenouncedtheGreekmythology。Hisfavoriteoathisretained,andaslightmentionismadeofthedaemonium,orinternalsign,whichisalludedtobySocratesasaphenomenonpeculiartohimself。ArealelementofSocraticteaching,whichismoreprominentintheRepublicthaninanyoftheotherDialoguesofPlato,istheuseofexampleandillustration(’taphorhtikaautoprhospherhontez’):"Letusapplythetestofcommoninstances。""You,"saysAdeimantus,ironically,inthesixthbook,"aresounaccustomedtospeakinimages。"Andthisuseofexamplesorimages,thoughtrulySocraticinorigin,isenlargedbythegeniusofPlatointotheformofanallegoryorparable,whichembodiesintheconcretewhathasbeenalreadydescribed,orisabouttobedescribed,intheabstract。ThusthefigureofthecaveinBookVIIisarecapitulationofthedivisionsofknowledgeinBookVI。
  ThecompositeanimalinBookIXisanallegoryofthepartsofthesoul。ThenoblecaptainandtheshipandthetruepilotinBookVIareafigureoftherelationofthepeopletothephilosophersintheStatewhichhasbeendescribed。Otherfigures,suchasthedoginthesecond,third,andfourthbooks,orthemarriageoftheportionlessmaideninthesixthbook,orthedronesandwaspsintheeighthandninthbooks,alsoformlinksofconnectioninlongpassages,orareusedtorecallpreviousdiscussions。
  Platoismosttruetothecharacterofhismasterwhenhedescribeshimas"notofthisworld。"AndwiththisrepresentationofhimtheidealStateandtheotherparadoxesoftheRepublicarequiteinaccordance,thoughtheycannotbeshowntohavebeenspeculationsofSocrates。Tohim,astoothergreatteachersbothphilosophicalandreligious,whentheylookedupward,theworldseemedtobetheembodimentoferrorandevil。Thecommonsenseofmankindhasrevoltedagainstthisview,orhasonlypartiallyadmittedit。AndeveninSocrateshimselfthesternerjudgmentofthemultitudeattimespassesintoasortofironicalpityorlove。Meningeneralareincapableofphilosophy,andarethereforeatenmitywiththephilosopher;buttheirmisunderstandingofhimisunavoidable:fortheyhaveneverseenhimashetrulyisinhisownimage;theyareonlyacquaintedwithartificialsystemspossessingnonativeforceoftruth——wordswhichadmitofmanyapplications。Theirleadershavenothingtomeasurewith,andarethereforeignorantoftheirownstature。Buttheyaretobepitiedorlaughedat,nottobequarrelledwith;theymeanwellwiththeirnostrums,iftheycouldonlylearnthattheyarecuttingoffaHydra’shead。ThismoderationtowardsthosewhoareinerrorisoneofthemostcharacteristicfeaturesofSocratesintheRepublic。InallthedifferentrepresentationsofSocrates,whetherofXenophonorPlato,andthedifferencesoftheearlierorlaterDialogues,healwaysretainsthecharacteroftheunweariedanddisinterestedseekeraftertruth,withoutwhichhewouldhaveceasedtobeSocrates。
  LeavingthecharacterswemaynowanalyzethecontentsoftheRepublic,andthenproceedtoconsider(1)ThegeneralaspectsofthisHellenicidealoftheState,(2)ThemodernlightsinwhichthethoughtsofPlatomayberead。
  BOOKI
  SOCRATES—GLAUCON
  IWENTdownyesterdaytothePiraeuswithGlauconthesonofAriston,thatImightofferupmyprayerstothegoddess;andalsobecauseIwantedtoseeinwhatmannertheywouldcelebratethefestival,whichwasanewthing。Iwasdelightedwiththeprocessionoftheinhabitants;butthatoftheThracianswasequally,ifnotmore,beautiful。Whenwehadfinishedourprayersandviewedthespectacle,weturnedinthedirectionofthecity;andatthatinstantPolemarchusthesonofCephaluschancedtocatchsightofusfromadistanceaswewerestartingonourwayhome,andtoldhisservanttorunandbiduswaitforhim。Theservanttookholdofmebythecloakbehind,andsaid:Polemarchusdesiresyoutowait。
  Iturnedround,andaskedhimwherehismasterwas。
  Thereheis,saidtheyouth,comingafteryou,ifyouwillonlywait。
  Certainlywewill,saidGlaucon;andinafewminutesPolemarchusappeared,andwithhimAdeimantus,Glaucon’sbrother,NiceratusthesonofNicias,andseveralotherswhohadbeenattheprocession。
  SOCRATES—POLEMARCHUS—GLAUCON—ADEIMANTUS
  Polemarchussaidtome:Iperceive,Socrates,thatyouandourcompanionarealreadyonyourwaytothecity。
  Youarenotfarwrong,Isaid。
  Butdoyousee,herejoined,howmanyweare?
  Ofcourse。
  Andareyoustrongerthanallthese?forifnot,youwillhavetoremainwhereyouare。
  Maytherenotbethealternative,Isaid,thatwemaypersuadeyoutoletusgo?
  Butcanyoupersuadeus,ifwerefusetolistentoyou?hesaid。
  Certainlynot,repliedGlaucon。
  Thenwearenotgoingtolisten;ofthatyoumaybeassured。
  Adeimantusadded:Hasnoonetoldyouofthetorch—raceonhorsebackinhonourofthegoddesswhichwilltakeplaceintheevening?
  Withhorses!Ireplied:Thatisanovelty。Willhorsemencarrytorchesandpassthemonetoanotherduringtherace?
  Yes,saidPolemarchus,andnotonlyso,butafestivalwillhecelebratedatnight,whichyoucertainlyoughttosee。Letusrisesoonaftersupperandseethisfestival;therewillbeagatheringofyoungmen,andwewillhaveagoodtalk。Staythen,anddonotbeperverse。
  Glauconsaid:Isuppose,sinceyouinsist,thatwemust。
  Verygood,Ireplied。
  GLAUCON—CEPHALUS—SOCRATES
  AccordinglywewentwithPolemarchustohishouse;andtherewefoundhisbrothersLysiasandEuthydemus,andwiththemThrasymachustheChalcedonian,CharmantidesthePaeanian,andCleitophonthesonofAristonymus。TheretoowasCephalusthefatherofPolemarchus,whomIhadnotseenforalongtime,andIthoughthimverymuchaged。Hewasseatedonacushionedchair,andhadagarlandonhishead,forhehadbeensacrificinginthecourt;andthereweresomeotherchairsintheroomarrangedinasemicircle,uponwhichwesatdownbyhim。Hesalutedmeeagerly,andthenhesaid:——
  Youdon’tcometoseeme,Socrates,asoftenasyouought:IfIwerestillabletogoandseeyouIwouldnotaskyoutocometome。ButatmyageIcanhardlygettothecity,andthereforeyoushouldcomeoftenertothePiraeus。Forletmetellyou,thatthemorethepleasuresofthebodyfadeaway,thegreatertomeisthepleasureandcharmofconversation。Donotthendenymyrequest,butmakeourhouseyourresortandkeepcompanywiththeseyoungmen;weareoldfriends,andyouwillbequiteathomewithus。
  Ireplied:ThereisnothingwhichformypartIlikebetter,Cephalus,thanconversingwithagedmen;forIregardthemastravellerswhohavegoneajourneywhichItoomayhavetogo,andofwhomIoughttoenquire,whetherthewayissmoothandeasy,orruggedanddifficult。AndthisisaquestionwhichIshouldliketoaskofyouwhohavearrivedatthattimewhichthepoetscallthe’thresholdofoldage’——Islifehardertowardstheend,orwhatreportdoyougiveofit?
  Iwilltellyou,Socrates,hesaid,whatmyownfeelingis。Menofmyageflocktogether;wearebirdsofafeather,astheoldproverbsays;andatourmeetingsthetaleofmyacquaintancecommonlyis——Icannoteat,Icannotdrink;thepleasuresofyouthandlovearefledaway:therewasagoodtimeonce,butnowthatisgone,andlifeisnolongerlife。Somecomplainoftheslightswhichareputuponthembyrelations,andtheywilltellyousadlyofhowmanyevilstheiroldageisthecause。Buttome,Socrates,thesecomplainersseemtoblamethatwhichisnotreallyinfault。Forifoldagewerethecause,Itoobeingold,andeveryotheroldman,wouldhavefeltastheydo。Butthisisnotmyownexperience,northatofotherswhomIhaveknown。HowwellIremembertheagedpoetSophocles,wheninanswertothequestion,Howdoeslovesuitwithage,Sophocles,——areyoustillthemanyouwere?Peace,hereplied;mostgladlyhaveIescapedthethingofwhichyouspeak;IfeelasifIhadescapedfromamadandfuriousmaster。Hiswordshaveoftenoccurredtomymindsince,andtheyseemasgoodtomenowasatthetimewhenheutteredthem。Forcertainlyoldagehasagreatsenseofcalmandfreedom;whenthepassionsrelaxtheirhold,then,asSophoclessays,wearefreedfromthegraspnotofonemadmasteronly,butofmany。Thetruthis,Socrates,thattheseregrets,andalsothecomplaintsaboutrelations,aretobeattributedtothesamecause,whichisnotoldage,butmen’scharactersandtempers;
  forhewhoisofacalmandhappynaturewillhardlyfeelthepressureofage,buttohimwhoisofanoppositedispositionyouthandageareequallyaburden。
  Ilistenedinadmiration,andwantingtodrawhimout,thathemightgoon——Yes,Cephalus,Isaid:butIrathersuspectthatpeopleingeneralarenotconvincedbyyouwhenyouspeakthus;theythinkthatoldagesitslightlyuponyou,notbecauseofyourhappydisposition,butbecauseyouarerich,andwealthiswellknowntobeagreatcomforter。
  Youareright,hereplied;theyarenotconvinced:andthereissomethinginwhattheysay;not,however,somuchastheyimagine。I
  mightanswerthemasThemistoclesansweredtheSeriphianwhowasabusinghimandsayingthathewasfamous,notforhisownmeritsbutbecausehewasanAthenian:’IfyouhadbeenanativeofmycountryorIofyours,neitherofuswouldhavebeenfamous。’Andtothosewhoarenotrichandareimpatientofoldage,thesamereplymaybemade;fortothegoodpoormanoldagecannotbealightburden,norcanabadrichmaneverhavepeacewithhimself。
  MayIask,Cephalus,whetheryourfortunewasforthemostpartinheritedoracquiredbyyou?
  Acquired!Socrates;doyouwanttoknowhowmuchIacquired?IntheartofmakingmoneyIhavebeenmidwaybetweenmyfatherandgrandfather:formygrandfather,whosenameIbear,doubledandtrebledthevalueofhispatrimony,thatwhichheinheritedbeingmuchwhatIpossessnow;butmyfatherLysaniasreducedthepropertybelowwhatitisatpresent:andIshallbesatisfiedifIleavetothesemysonsnotlessbutalittlemorethanIreceived。
  ThatwaswhyIaskedyouthequestion,Ireplied,becauseIseethatyouareindifferentaboutmoney,whichisacharacteristicratherofthosewhohaveinheritedtheirfortunesthanofthosewhohaveacquiredthem;themakersoffortuneshaveasecondloveofmoneyasacreationoftheirown,resemblingtheaffectionofauthorsfortheirownpoems,orofparentsfortheirchildren,besidesthatnaturalloveofitforthesakeofuseandprofitwhichiscommontothemandallmen。Andhencetheyareverybadcompany,fortheycantalkaboutnothingbutthepraisesofwealth。Thatistrue,hesaid。
  Yes,thatisverytrue,butmayIaskanotherquestion?Whatdoyouconsidertobethegreatestblessingwhichyouhavereapedfromyourwealth?
  One,hesaid,ofwhichIcouldnotexpecteasilytoconvinceothers。
  Forletmetellyou,Socrates,thatwhenamanthinkshimselftobeneardeath,fearsandcaresenterintohismindwhichheneverhadbefore;thetalesofaworldbelowandthepunishmentwhichisexactedthereofdeedsdoneherewereoncealaughingmattertohim,butnowheistormentedwiththethoughtthattheymaybetrue:eitherfromtheweaknessofage,orbecauseheisnowdrawingnearertothatotherplace,hehasaclearerviewofthesethings;suspicionsandalarmscrowdthicklyuponhim,andhebeginstoreflectandconsiderwhatwrongshehasdonetoothers。Andwhenhefindsthatthesumofhistransgressionsisgreathewillmanyatimelikeachildstartupinhissleepforfear,andheisfilledwithdarkforebodings。Buttohimwhoisconsciousofnosin,sweethope,asPindarcharminglysays,isthekindnurseofhisage:
  Hope,hesays,cherishesthesoulofhimwholivesinjusticeandholinessandisthenurseofhisageandthecompanionofhisjourney;
  ——hopewhichismightiesttoswaytherestlesssoulofman。
  Howadmirablearehiswords!Andthegreatblessingofriches,I
  donotsaytoeveryman,buttoagoodman,is,thathehashadnooccasiontodeceiveortodefraudothers,eitherintentionallyorunintentionally;andwhenhedepartstotheworldbelowheisnotinanyapprehensionaboutofferingsduetothegodsordebtswhichheowestomen。Nowtothispeaceofmindthepossessionofwealthgreatlycontributes;andthereforeIsay,that,settingonethingagainstanother,ofthemanyadvantageswhichwealthhastogive,toamanofsensethisisinmyopinionthegreatest。
  Wellsaid,Cephalus,Ireplied;butasconcerningjustice,whatisit?——tospeakthetruthandtopayyourdebts——nomorethanthis?
  Andeventothisaretherenotexceptions?Supposethatafriendwheninhisrightmindhasdepositedarmswithmeandheasksforthemwhenheisnotinhisrightmind,oughtItogivethembacktohim?NoonewouldsaythatIoughtorthatIshouldberightindoingso,anymorethantheywouldsaythatIoughtalwaystospeakthetruthtoonewhoisinhiscondition。
  Youarequiteright,hereplied。
  Butthen,Isaid,speakingthetruthandpayingyourdebtsisnotacorrectdefinitionofjustice。
  CEPHALUS—SOCRATES—POLEMARCHUS
  Quitecorrect,Socrates,ifSimonidesistobebelieved,saidPolemarchusinterposing。
  Ifear,saidCephalus,thatImustgonow,forIhavetolookafterthesacrifices,andIhandovertheargumenttoPolemarchusandthecompany。
  IsnotPolemarchusyourheir?Isaid。
  Tobesure,heanswered,andwentawaylaughingtothesacrifices。
  SOCRATES—POLEMARCHUS
  Tellmethen,Othouheiroftheargument,whatdidSimonidessay,andaccordingtoyoutrulysay,aboutjustice?
  Hesaidthattherepaymentofadebtisjust,andinsayingsoheappearstometoberight。
  Ishouldbesorrytodoubtthewordofsuchawiseandinspiredman,buthismeaning,thoughprobablycleartoyou,isthereverseofcleartome。Forhecertainlydoesnotmean,aswewerenowsayingthatI
  oughttoreturnareturnadepositofarmsorofanythingelsetoonewhoasksforitwhenheisnotinhisrightsenses;andyetadepositcannotbedeniedtobeadebt。
  True。
  ThenwhenthepersonwhoasksmeisnotinhisrightmindIambynomeanstomakethereturn?
  Certainlynot。
  WhenSimonidessaidthattherepaymentofadebtwasjustice,hedidnotmeantoincludethatcase?
  Certainlynot;forhethinksthatafriendoughtalwaystodogoodtoafriendandneverevil。
  Youmeanthatthereturnofadepositofgoldwhichistotheinjuryofthereceiver,ifthetwopartiesarefriends,isnottherepaymentofadebt,——thatiswhatyouwouldimaginehimtosay?
  Yes。
  Andareenemiesalsotoreceivewhatweowetothem?
  Tobesure,hesaid,theyaretoreceivewhatweowethem,andanenemy,asItakeit,owestoanenemythatwhichisdueorpropertohim——thatistosay,evil。
  Simonides,then,afterthemannerofpoets,wouldseemtohavespokendarklyofthenatureofjustice;forhereallymeanttosaythatjusticeisthegivingtoeachmanwhatispropertohim,andthishetermedadebt。
  Thatmusthavebeenhismeaning,hesaid。
  Byheaven!Ireplied;andifweaskedhimwhatdueorproperthingisgivenbymedicine,andtowhom,whatanswerdoyouthinkthathewouldmaketous?
  Hewouldsurelyreplythatmedicinegivesdrugsandmeatanddrinktohumanbodies。
  Andwhatdueorproperthingisgivenbycookery,andtowhat?
  Seasoningtofood。
  Andwhatisthatwhichjusticegives,andtowhom?
  If,Socrates,wearetobeguidedatallbytheanalogyoftheprecedinginstances,thenjusticeistheartwhichgivesgoodtofriendsandeviltoenemies。
  Thatishismeaningthen?
  Ithinkso。
  Andwhoisbestabletodogoodtohisfriendsandeviltohisenemiesintimeofsickness?
  Thephysician。
  Orwhentheyareonavoyage,amidtheperilsofthesea?
  Thepilot。
  Andinwhatsortofactionsorwithaviewtowhatresultisthejustmanmostabletodoharmtohisenemyandgoodtohisfriends?
  Ingoingtowaragainsttheoneandinmakingallianceswiththeother。
  Butwhenamaniswell,mydearPolemarchus,thereisnoneedofaphysician?
  No。
  Andhewhoisnotonavoyagehasnoneedofapilot?
  No。
  Thenintimeofpeacejusticewillbeofnouse?
  Iamveryfarfromthinkingso。
  Youthinkthatjusticemaybeofuseinpeaceaswellasinwar?
  Yes。
  Likehusbandryfortheacquisitionofcorn?
  Yes。
  Orlikeshoemakingfortheacquisitionofshoes,——thatiswhatyoumean?
  Yes。
  Andwhatsimilaruseorpowerofacquisitionhasjusticeintimeofpeace?
  Incontracts,Socrates,justiceisofuse。
  Andbycontractsyoumeanpartnerships?
  Exactly。
  Butisthejustmanortheskilfulplayeramoreusefulandbetterpartneratagameofdraughts?
  Theskilfulplayer。
  Andinthelayingofbricksandstonesisthejustmanamoreusefulorbetterpartnerthanthebuilder?
  Quitethereverse。