Thenyouwouldinferthatopinionisintermediate?
Noquestion。
Butwerewenotsayingbefore,thatifanythingappearedtobeofasortwhichisandisnotatthesametime,thatsortofthingwouldappearalsotolieintheintervalbetweenpurebeingandabsolutenot—being;andthatthecorrespondingfacultyisneitherknowledgenorignorance,butwillbefoundintheintervalbetweenthem?
True。
Andinthatintervaltherehasnowbeendiscoveredsomethingwhichwecallopinion?
Therehas。
Thenwhatremainstobediscoveredistheobjectwhichpartakesequallyofthenatureofbeingandnot—being,andcannotrightlybetermedeither,pureandsimple;thisunknownterm,whendiscovered,wemaytrulycallthesubjectofopinion,andassigneachtoitsproperfaculty,—theextremestothefacultiesoftheextremesandthemeantothefacultyofthemean。
True。
Thisbeingpremised,Iwouldaskthegentlemanwhoisofopinionthatthereisnoabsoluteorunchangeableideaofbeauty——inwhoseopinionthebeautifulisthemanifold——he,Isay,yourloverofbeautifulsights,whocannotbeartobetoldthatthebeautifulisone,andthejustisone,orthatanythingisone——tohimIwouldappeal,saying,Willyoubesoverykind,sir,astotelluswhether,ofallthesebeautifulthings,thereisonewhichwillnotbefoundugly;orofthejust,whichwillnotbefoundunjust;oroftheholy,whichwillnotalsobeunholy?
No,hereplied;thebeautifulwillinsomepointofviewbefoundugly;andthesameistrueoftherest。
Andmaynotthemanywhicharedoublesbealsohalves?——doubles,thatis,ofonething,andhalvesofanother?
Quitetrue。
Andthingsgreatandsmall,heavyandlight,astheyaretermed,willnotbedenotedbytheseanymorethanbytheoppositenames?
True;boththeseandtheoppositenameswillalwaysattachtoallofthem。
Andcananyoneofthosemanythingswhicharecalledbyparticularnamesbesaidtobethisratherthannottobethis?
Hereplied:Theyarelikethepunningriddleswhichareaskedatfeastsorthechildren’spuzzleabouttheeunuchaimingatthebat,withwhathehithim,astheysayinthepuzzle,anduponwhatthebatwassitting。TheindividualobjectsofwhichIamspeakingarealsoariddle,andhaveadoublesense:norcanyoufixtheminyourmind,eitherasbeingornot—being,orboth,orneither。
Thenwhatwillyoudowiththem?Isaid。Cantheyhaveabetterplacethanbetweenbeingandnot—being?Fortheyareclearlynotingreaterdarknessornegationthannot—being,ormorefulloflightandexistencethanbeing。
Thatisquitetrue,hesaid。
Thusthenweseemtohavediscoveredthatthemanyideaswhichthemultitudeentertainaboutthebeautifulandaboutallotherthingsaretossingaboutinsomeregionwhichishalfwaybetweenpurebeingandpurenot—being?
Wehave。
Yes;andwehadbeforeagreedthatanythingofthiskindwhichwemightfindwastobedescribedasmatterofopinion,andnotasmatterofknowledge;beingtheintermediatefluxwhichiscaughtanddetainedbytheintermediatefaculty。
Quitetrue。
Thenthosewhoseethemanybeautiful,andwhoyetneitherseeabsolutebeauty,norcanfollowanyguidewhopointsthewaythither;whoseethemanyjust,andnotabsolutejustice,andthelike,——suchpersonsmaybesaidtohaveopinionbutnotknowledge?
Thatiscertain。
Butthosewhoseetheabsoluteandeternalandimmutablemaybesaidtoknow,andnottohaveopiniononly?
Neithercanthatbedenied。
Theonelovesandembracesthesubjectsofknowledge,theotherthoseofopinion?Thelatterarethesame,asIdaresaywillremember,wholistenedtosweetsoundsandgazeduponfaircolours,butwouldnottoleratetheexistenceofabsolutebeauty。
Yes,Iremember。
Shallwethenbeguiltyofanyimproprietyincallingthemloversofopinionratherthanloversofwisdom,andwilltheybeveryangrywithusforthusdescribingthem?
Ishalltellthemnottobeangry;nomanshouldbeangryatwhatistrue。
Butthosewholovethetruthineachthingaretobecalledloversofwisdomandnotloversofopinion。
Assuredly。
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SOCRATES—GLAUCON
ANDthus,Glaucon,aftertheargumenthasgoneawearyway,thetrueandthefalsephilosophershaveatlengthappearedinview。
Idonotthink,hesaid,thatthewaycouldhavebeenshortened。
Isupposenot,Isaid;andyetIbelievethatwemighthavehadabetterviewofbothofthemifthediscussioncouldhavebeenconfinedtothisonesubjectandiftherewerenotmanyotherquestionsawaitingus,whichhewhodesirestoseeinwhatrespectthelifeofthejustdiffersfromthatoftheunjustmustconsider。
Andwhatisthenextquestion?heasked。
Surely,Isaid,theonewhichfollowsnextinorder。Inasmuchasphilosophersonlyareabletograsptheeternalandunchangeable,andthosewhowanderintheregionofthemanyandvariablearenotphilosophers,ImustaskyouwhichofthetwoclassesshouldbetherulersofourState?
Andhowcanwerightlyanswerthatquestion?
WhicheverofthetwoarebestabletoguardthelawsandinstitutionsofourState——letthembeourguardians。
Verygood。
Neither,Isaid,cantherebeanyquestionthattheguardianwhoistokeepanythingshouldhaveeyesratherthannoeyes?
Therecanbenoquestionofthat。
Andarenotthosewhoareverilyandindeedwantingintheknowledgeofthetruebeingofeachthing,andwhohaveintheirsoulsnoclearpattern,andareunableaswithapainter’seyetolookattheabsolutetruthandtothatoriginaltorepair,andhavingperfectvisionoftheotherworldtoorderthelawsaboutbeauty,goodness,justiceinthis,ifnotalreadyordered,andtoguardandpreservetheorderofthem——arenotsuchpersons,Iask,simplyblind?
Truly,hereplied,theyaremuchinthatcondition。
Andshalltheybeourguardianswhenthereareotherswho,besidesbeingtheirequalsinexperienceandfallingshortoftheminnoparticularofvirtue,alsoknowtheverytruthofeachthing?
Therecanbenoreason,hesaid,forrejectingthosewhohavethisgreatestofallgreatqualities;theymustalwayshavethefirstplaceunlesstheyfailinsomeotherrespect。
Supposethen,Isaid,thatwedeterminehowfartheycanunitethisandtheotherexcellences。
Byallmeans。
Inthefirstplace,aswebeganbyobserving,thenatureofthephilosopherhastobeascertained。Wemustcometoanunderstandingabouthim,and,whenwehavedoneso,then,ifIamnotmistaken,weshallalsoacknowledgethatsuchanunionofqualitiesispossible,andthatthoseinwhomtheyareunited,andthoseonly,shouldberulersintheState。
Whatdoyoumean?
Letussupposethatphilosophicalmindsalwaysloveknowledgeofasortwhichshowsthemtheeternalnaturenotvaryingfromgenerationandcorruption。
Agreed。
Andfurther,Isaid,letusagreethattheyareloversofalltruebeing;thereisnopartwhethergreaterorless,ormoreorlesshonourable,whichtheyarewillingtorenounce;aswesaidbeforeoftheloverandthemanofambition。
True。
Andiftheyaretobewhatweweredescribing,istherenotanotherqualitywhichtheyshouldalsopossess?
Whatquality?
Truthfulness:theywillneverintentionallyreceiveintotheirmindfalsehood,whichistheirdetestation,andtheywilllovethetruth。
Yes,thatmaybesafelyaffirmedofthem。
’Maybe,’myfriend,Ireplied,isnottheword;sayrather’mustbeaffirmed:’forhewhosenatureisamorousofanythingcannothelplovingallthatbelongsorisakintotheobjectofhisaffections。
Right,hesaid。
Andisthereanythingmoreakintowisdomthantruth?
Howcantherebe?
Canthesamenaturebealoverofwisdomandaloveroffalsehood?
Never。
Thetrueloveroflearningthenmustfromhisearliestyouth,asfarasinhimlies,desirealltruth?
Assuredly。
Butthenagain,asweknowbyexperience,hewhosedesiresarestronginonedirectionwillhavethemweakerinothers;theywillbelikeastreamwhichhasbeendrawnoffintoanotherchannel。
True。
Hewhosedesiresaredrawntowardsknowledgeineveryformwillbeabsorbedinthepleasuresofthesoul,andwillhardlyfeelbodilypleasure——Imean,ifhebeatruephilosopherandnotashamone。
Thatismostcertain。
Suchanoneissuretobetemperateandthereverseofcovetous;forthemotiveswhichmakeanothermandesirousofhavingandspending,havenoplaceinhischaracter。
Verytrue。
Anothercriterionofthephilosophicalnaturehasalsotobeconsidered。
Whatisthat?
Thereshouldbenosecretcornerofilliberality;nothingcanmoreantagonisticthanmeannesstoasoulwhichiseverlongingafterthewholeofthingsbothdivineandhuman。
Mosttrue,hereplied。
Thenhowcanhewhohasmagnificenceofmindandisthespectatorofalltimeandallexistence,thinkmuchofhumanlife?
Hecannot。
Orcansuchanoneaccountdeathfearful?
Noindeed。
Thenthecowardlyandmeannaturehasnopartintruephilosophy?
Certainlynot。
Oragain:canhewhoisharmoniouslyconstituted,whoisnotcovetousormean,oraboaster,oracoward—canhe,Isay,everbeunjustorhardinhisdealings?
Impossible。
Thenyouwillsoonobservewhetheramanisjustandgentle,orrudeandunsociable;thesearethesignswhichdistinguisheveninyouththephilosophicalnaturefromtheunphilosophical。
True。
Thereisanotherpointwhichshouldberemarked。
Whatpoint?
Whetherhehasorhasnotapleasureinlearning;fornoonewilllovethatwhichgiveshimpain,andinwhichaftermuchtoilhemakeslittleprogress。
Certainlynot。
Andagain,ifheisforgetfulandretainsnothingofwhathelearns,willhenotbeanemptyvessel?
Thatiscertain。
Labouringinvain,hemustendinhatinghimselfandhisfruitlessoccupation?Yes。
Thenasoulwhichforgetscannotberankedamonggenuinephilosophicnatures;wemustinsistthatthephilosophershouldhaveagoodmemory?
Certainly。
Andoncemore,theinharmoniousandunseemlynaturecanonlytendtodisproportion?
Undoubtedly。
Anddoyouconsidertruthtobeakintoproportionortodisproportion?
Toproportion。
Then,besidesotherqualities,wemusttrytofindanaturallywell—proportionedandgraciousmind,whichwillmovespontaneouslytowardsthetruebeingofeverything。
Certainly。
Well,anddonotallthesequalities,whichwehavebeenenumerating,gotogether,andaretheynot,inamanner,necessarytoasoul,whichistohaveafullandperfectparticipationofbeing?
Theyareabsolutelynecessary,hereplied。
Andmustnotthatbeablamelessstudywhichheonlycanpursuewhohasthegiftofagoodmemory,andisquicktolearn,——noble,gracious,thefriendoftruth,justice,courage,temperance,whoarehiskindred?
Thegodofjealousyhimself,hesaid,couldfindnofaultwithsuchastudy。
Andtomenlikehim,Isaid,whenperfectedbyyearsandeducation,andtotheseonlyyouwillentrusttheState。
SOCRATES—ADEIMANTUS
HereAdeimantusinterposedandsaid:Tothesestatements,Socrates,noonecanofferareply;butwhenyoutalkinthisway,astrangefeelingpassesoverthemindsofyourhearers:Theyfancythattheyareledastrayalittleateachstepintheargument,owingtotheirownwantofskillinaskingandansweringquestions;theselittlesaccumulate,andattheendofthediscussiontheyarefoundtohavesustainedamightyoverthrowandalltheirformernotionsappeartobeturnedupsidedown。Andasunskilfulplayersofdraughtsareatlastshutupbytheirmoreskilfuladversariesandhavenopiecetomove,sotheytoofindthemselvesshutupatlast;
fortheyhavenothingtosayinthisnewgameofwhichwordsarethecounters;andyetallthetimetheyareintheright。Theobservationissuggestedtomebywhatisnowoccurring。Foranyoneofusmightsay,thatalthoughinwordsheisnotabletomeetyouateachstepoftheargument,heseesasafactthatthevotariesofphilosophy,whentheycarryonthestudy,notonlyinyouthasapartofeducation,butasthepursuitoftheirmatureryears,mostofthembecomestrangemonsters,nottosayutterrogues,andthatthosewhomaybeconsideredthebestofthemaremadeuselesstotheworldbytheverystudywhichyouextol。
Well,anddoyouthinkthatthosewhosaysoarewrong?
Icannottell,hereplied;butIshouldliketoknowwhatisyouropinion。
Hearmyanswer;Iamofopinionthattheyarequiteright。
Thenhowcanyoubejustifiedinsayingthatcitieswillnotceasefromeviluntilphilosophersruleinthem,whenphilosophersareacknowledgedbyustobeofnousetothem?
Youaskaquestion,Isaid,towhichareplycanonlybegiveninaparable。
Yes,Socrates;andthatisawayofspeakingtowhichyouarenotatallaccustomed,Isuppose。
Iperceive,Isaid,thatyouarevastlyamusedathavingplungedmeintosuchahopelessdiscussion;butnowheartheparable,andthenyouwillbestillmoreamusedatthemeagrenessofmyimagination:forthemannerinwhichthebestmenaretreatedintheirownStatesissogrievousthatnosinglethingonearthiscomparabletoit;andtherefore,ifIamtopleadtheircause,Imusthaverecoursetofiction,andputtogetherafiguremadeupofmanythings,likethefabulousunionsofgoatsandstagswhicharefoundinpictures。
Imaginethenafleetorashipinwhichthereisacaptainwhoistallerandstrongerthananyofthecrew,butheisalittledeafandhasasimilarinfirmityinsight,andhisknowledgeofnavigationisnotmuchbetter。Thesailorsarequarrellingwithoneanotheraboutthesteering——everyoneisofopinionthathehasarighttosteer,thoughhehasneverlearnedtheartofnavigationandcannottellwhotaughthimorwhenhelearned,andwillfurtherassertthatitcannotbetaught,andtheyarereadytocutinpiecesanyonewhosaysthecontrary。Theythrongaboutthecaptain,beggingandprayinghimtocommitthehelmtothem;andifatanytimetheydonotprevail,butothersarepreferredtothem,theykilltheothersorthrowthemoverboard,andhavingfirstchainedupthenoblecaptain’ssenseswithdrinkorsomenarcoticdrug,theymutinyandtakepossessionoftheshipandmakefreewiththestores;thus,eatinganddrinking,theyproceedontheirvoyageinsuchamannerasmightbeexpectedofthem。Himwhoistheirpartisanandcleverlyaidsthemintheirplotforgettingtheshipoutofthecaptain’shandsintotheirownwhetherbyforceorpersuasion,theycomplimentwiththenameofsailor,pilot,ableseaman,andabusetheothersortofman,whomtheycallagood—for—nothing;butthatthetruepilotmustpayattentiontotheyearandseasonsandskyandstarsandwinds,andwhateverelsebelongstohisart,ifheintendstobereallyqualifiedforthecommandofaship,andthathemustandwillbethesteerer,whetherotherpeoplelikeornot—thepossibilityofthisunionofauthoritywiththesteerer’sarthasneverseriouslyenteredintotheirthoughtsorbeenmadepartoftheircalling。Nowinvesselswhichareinastateofmutinyandbysailorswhoaremutineers,howwillthetruepilotberegarded?Willhenotbecalledbythemaprater,astar—gazer,agood—for—nothing?
Ofcourse,saidAdeimantus。
Thenyouwillhardlyneed,Isaid,toheartheinterpretationofthefigure,whichdescribesthetruephilosopherinhisrelationtotheState;foryouunderstandalready。
Certainly。
Thensupposeyounowtakethisparabletothegentlemanwhoissurprisedatfindingthatphilosophershavenohonourintheircities;
explainittohimandtrytoconvincehimthattheirhavinghonourwouldbefarmoreextraordinary。
Iwill。
Saytohim,that,indeemingthebestvotariesofphilosophytobeuselesstotherestoftheworld,heisright;butalsotellhimtoattributetheiruselessnesstothefaultofthosewhowillnotusethem,andnottothemselves。Thepilotshouldnothumblybegthesailorstobecommandedbyhim——thatisnottheorderofnature;
neitherare’thewisetogotothedoorsoftherich’——theingeniousauthorofthissayingtoldalie——butthetruthis,that,whenamanisill,whetherheberichorpoor,tothephysicianhemustgo,andhewhowantstobegoverned,tohimwhoisabletogovern。Therulerwhoisgoodforanythingoughtnottobeghissubjectstoberuledbyhim;althoughthepresentgovernorsofmankindareofadifferentstamp;theymaybejustlycomparedtothemutinoussailors,andthetruehelmsmentothosewhoarecalledbythemgood—for—nothingsandstar—gazers。
Preciselyso,hesaid。
Forthesereasons,andamongmenlikethese,philosophy,thenoblestpursuitofall,isnotlikelytobemuchesteemedbythoseoftheoppositefaction;notthatthegreatestandmostlastinginjuryisdonetoherbyheropponents,butbyherownprofessingfollowers,thesameofwhomyousupposetheaccusertosay,thatthegreaternumberofthemarearrantrogues,andthebestareuseless;inwhichopinionIagreed。
Yes。
Andthereasonwhythegoodareuselesshasnowbeenexplained?
True。
Thenshallweproceedtoshowthatthecorruptionofthemajorityisalsounavoidable,andthatthisisnottobelaidtothechargeofphilosophyanymorethantheother?
Byallmeans。
Andletusaskandanswerinturn,firstgoingbacktothedescriptionofthegentleandnoblenature。Truth,asyouwillremember,washisleader,whomhefollowedalwaysandinallthings;
failinginthis,hewasanimpostor,andhadnopartorlotintruephilosophy。
Yes,thatwassaid。
Well,andisnotthisonequality,tomentionnoothers,greatlyatvariancewithpresentnotionsofhim?
Certainly,hesaid。
Andhavewenotarighttosayinhisdefence,thatthetrueloverofknowledgeisalwaysstrivingafterbeing——thatishisnature;hewillnotrestinthemultiplicityofindividualswhichisanappearanceonly,butwillgoon——thekeenedgewillnotbeblunted,northeforceofhisdesireabateuntilhehaveattainedtheknowledgeofthetruenatureofeveryessencebyasympatheticandkindredpowerinthesoul,andbythatpowerdrawingnearandminglingandbecomingincorporatewithverybeing,havingbegottenmindandtruth,hewillhaveknowledgeandwillliveandgrowtruly,andthen,andnottillthen,willheceasefromhistravail。
Nothing,hesaid,canbemorejustthansuchadescriptionofhim。
Andwilltheloveofaliebeanypartofaphilosopher’snature?
Willhenotutterlyhatealie?
Hewill。
Andwhentruthisthecaptain,wecannotsuspectanyevilofthebandwhichheleads?
Impossible。
Justiceandhealthofmindwillbeofthecompany,andtemperancewillfollowafter?
True,hereplied。
NeitheristhereanyreasonwhyIshouldagainsetinarraythephilosopher’svirtues,asyouwilldoubtlessrememberthatcourage,magnificence,apprehension,memory,werehisnaturalgifts。Andyouobjectedthat,althoughnoonecoulddenywhatIthensaid,still,ifyouleavewordsandlookatfacts,thepersonswhoarethusdescribedaresomeofthemmanifestlyuseless,andthegreaternumberutterlydepraved;wewerethenledtoenquireintothegroundsoftheseaccusations,andhavenowarrivedatthepointofaskingwhyarethemajoritybad,whichquestionofnecessitybroughtusbacktotheexaminationanddefinitionofthetruephilosopher。
Exactly。
Andwehavenexttoconsidertheofthephilosophicnature,whysomanyarespoiledandsofewescapespoiling——Iamspeakingofthosewhoweresaidtobeuselessbutnotwicked——and,whenwehavedonewiththem,wewillspeakoftheimitatorsofphilosophy,whatmannerofmenaretheywhoaspireafteraprofessionwhichisabovethemandofwhichtheyareunworthy,andthen,bytheirmanifoldinconsistencies,bringuponphilosophy,anduponallphilosophers,thatuniversalreprobationofwhichwespeak。
Whatarethesecorruptions?hesaid。
IwillseeifIcanexplainthemtoyou。Everyonewilladmitthatanaturehavinginperfectionallthequalitieswhichwerequiredinaphilosopher,isarareplantwhichisseldomseenamongmen。
Rareindeed。
Andwhatnumberlessandpowerfulcausestendtodestroytheserarenatures!
Whatcauses?
Inthefirstplacetherearetheirownvirtues,theircourage,temperance,andtherestofthem,everyoneofwhichpraiseworthyqualities(andthisisamostsingularcircumstance)destroysanddistractsfromphilosophythesoulwhichisthepossessorofthem。
Thatisverysingular,hereplied。
Thentherearealltheordinarygoodsoflife——beauty,wealth,strength,rank,andgreatconnectionsintheState——youunderstandthesortofthings——thesealsohaveacorruptinganddistractingeffect。
Iunderstand;butIshouldliketoknowmorepreciselywhatyoumeanaboutthem。
Graspthetruthasawhole,Isaid,andintherightway;youwillthenhavenodifficultyinapprehendingtheprecedingremarks,andtheywillnolongerappearstrangetoyou。